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Post by RRCmdrBennett on October 21st 2013, 8:14 pm

Does having a pistol grip with stock or a thumbhole stock give the shooter any advantage over a gun with a stock-only setup? I've been wondering what the gun-control nuts have against a pistol grip or thumbhole added to a shotgun/rifle stock?

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Post by Claymore on October 21st 2013, 8:31 pm

A pistol-grip naturally brings the rifle higher to your shoulder with less effort (think about it, your strong wrist is naturally sitting 5 inches lower).

It also requires a bit less effort to pull the rifle into your shoulder.

The Germans knew this since WWII with the MG-42 machinegun, then the STG-44.

The Soviets figured it out in 1947 with the Avtomatik Kalashnikov -47.

In the 1950's, the Belgians were putting pistol grips on the FN/LAR's.

We DID have pistol grips on the Paratrooper Model of the M-1 Carbine, the Thompson Submachinegun, and the M-3 Grease Gun, but those were pretty-much considered Close-Combat Weapons; not Main Battle Rifles.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on October 21st 2013, 9:06 pm

I agree I like the grip and it feels more natural. What's the liberal bias on grips though? Just seems like its something they like to pick on for no reason.

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Post by Claymore on October 21st 2013, 9:16 pm

It's just another feature that the Libs don't like, because an "Assault Rifle" is defined by its looks.

It's like how a Bayonet Stud is one of the "Bad" rifle features. How many civilians have been killed by a Bayonet?

Now some folks argue that, "No one NEEDS a Bayonet", which is true.

It is also true that, "No one NEEDS a Corvette", so anyone who wants a Corvette should be required to pay the additional $28,000.00 (over the price of a Camry) to help pay for Public Transportation for Poor People -- who can afford neither a Corvette nor a Camry.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on October 21st 2013, 10:56 pm

Wouldn't using a bayonet be useful if you run out of bullets? A bayonet may be an alternative to shooting someone too. I don't get the issue over flash suppressors either.

I don't get why caliber size or action type is not a defining characteristic of an, "assault weapon".




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Post by Claymore on October 22nd 2013, 12:38 am

RRCmdrBennett wrote:Wouldn't using a bayonet be useful if you run out of bullets?  A bayonet may be an alternative to shooting someone too. I don't get the issue over flash suppressors either.

I don't get why caliber size or action type is not a defining characteristic of an, "assault weapon".



Like I said, it's just "Looks".

If it Looks like a Machinegun, then it must Be a Machinegun, therefore Outlaw It.

The "Unknowing" Liberals (who are in the vast majority) want to outlaw them for that reason.

The "Knowing" Liberals (who are the ones pulling the strings) do not want the "Publicas" to have effective weaponry.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on October 22nd 2013, 2:17 am

We've truly been blessed to have a US constitution that defies the norm for any nation in history.


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Post by RRCmdrBennett on October 30th 2013, 10:36 pm

Tonight my sister inlaw and her husband came over to pick up my niece. While he was he was here I had to do a lil show n tell of the new rifle. He liked it.

In a minute he had the gun disassembled and the bolt fully taken a part. He's an Iraqi war (GW era) veteran. I plucked his brain and had him teach me how to do the bolt disassembly. He recommended I wipe down the bolt cause it was too wet. Can the bolt be over-lubed?

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Post by Claymore on October 30th 2013, 10:53 pm

Different philosophies.

In the sands of Iraq, absolutely.  Excess lube becomes a sand magnet.

I believe that in non-sandy conditions, I like to have my bolt "slippery" and it makes it easier to wipe the carbon off after use.  

Some may argue that the lube gives the carbon more to stick to, but try yourself.  Even with a totally dry bolt, it will have carbon all over it after a box of ammo.

So..............

Carbon & Oil on the Bolt

or

Carbon & No Oil on the Bolt?


Back during the Viet Nam War, I asked my Drill Sergeant if you had no LSA (Lubricant, Small Arms) and you had fired your rifle, so it was dirty with oil on the bolt, should you clean it and have a Clean/Dry Weapon or leave it as a Dirty/Oiled Weapon.

He said to me, "After one shot, what does it become?"  

I said, "Dirty".

He said, "So would you rather have a Dirty/Dry Weapon or a Dirty Lubricated Weapon?"

That was 43 years ago.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 4th 2013, 11:43 pm

Today I took my AR Out for its first day of predator hunting. All I saw was a house cat  during the say and as we went back to the car we spotted a white tail deer.

One issue I had with my AR is when I dropped the mag and pulled the bolt back it wouldn't eject the live round. I turned the rifle pointing upward and it dropped out of he barrel that way. I reinserted the mag with a round loaded and pulled the bolt back to insert the round into the barrel. I pulled the bolt back again to see if it would eject and it worked fine. Temps were only in the 50's and not much wind only slight chill in the air. It was a .223 varmint tipped round.

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Post by Claymore on November 5th 2013, 12:26 am

I wasn't there to see what happened, but a rule of thumbs with semi-automatics is "Don't Be Gentle When Operating the Action".

Some people e-a-s-e the action forward. If you do this with an AR, the rim may not snap into the extractor.

Look at how fast and violently the rifle cycles on its own. Treat it the same way that it treats itself. Let the bolt slam forward, and pull the charging handle back briskly.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 5th 2013, 9:01 pm

I tried it a few times before I cased it. I'll keep the advice of sliding the bolt faster next around.

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Post by Claymore on November 5th 2013, 9:18 pm

Best way to load an AR-15 is (with the Magazine Well Empty) to press on the bottom of the Bolt-Release while pulling the Charging Handle, to lock the Bolt.  Return the Charging Handle forward.

Place the Selector on "Safe".

Insert the Magazine.

Press the top/paddle end of the Bolt Release, & let the rifle chamber itself.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 5th 2013, 11:12 pm

I loaded by pulling the charging handle back and releasing. Does loading the round by pulling the handle affect the ejection of the round?

Is this a better way to load a semi-auto pistol too?

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Post by Claymore on November 5th 2013, 11:38 pm

97% yes.

If you pull the Charging Handle back & release it, you are slowing the bolt down Slightly, because of the addidional friction of the bolt taking the Charging Handle with it.

Do this experiment with an empty rifle and no magazine. Pull the Charging Handle all the way back & let it go. Listen to the sound of the Bolt going forward.

Now pull the Charging Handle back, lock the Bolt by pushing on the Bolt Release, and push the Charging Handle forward. Now release the Bolt by pushing the Release Paddle and listen to the sound of the Bolt. You should observe a difference. This is called Velocity.

The 97% is that there is No Downside of using the Slide Stop/Release when Charging a Semiautomatic Pistol, EXCEPT in the 3% of Cheap pistols that may have soft steel in the Slide Stop or in the Slide (therefore, the Slide Stop Notch), and it may wear away rounding the notch.

I have a Chinese Tokarov that has an issue with the part of the slide that hits the hammer "peening" and flaking after it shoots a few hundred rounds.  This is caused by soft steel.

So every 500 rounds or so, I take a Moto-Tool and knock the "scales" off the bolt portion of the slide.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 5th 2013, 11:55 pm

How do you know if your pistol has soft steel? Would you expect that in a XDm or Glock?

Do you recommend storing the rifle with the bolt locked back and the charging handle locked in?

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Post by Claymore on November 6th 2013, 12:38 am

No. A quality gun like a Colt, Smith & Wesson, Springfield, Remington, Glock, Ruger will have properly hardenned steel.

No, don't keep the bolt locked back. It's best to keep the springs "at rest". That means bolt closed, double-check for an empty chamber, then pull the trigger, & close the ejection port cover.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 6th 2013, 12:46 am

Why pull the trigger?

When you're hunting do you recommend closing the ejection port cover?

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Post by Claymore on November 6th 2013, 1:06 am

You pull the trigger to release the tension on the Hammer Spring.

The reason for the Ejection Port Cover is to keep Dirt, Sand, Snow, & Such out of your Rifle. Go ahead and close it. It will open itself when you shoot the Rifle.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 6th 2013, 10:05 pm

Now that I have a rifle case that fits it I'll be looking for 3 pt sling. Any recommendations on slings? Are they mostly all same?

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Post by Claymore on November 6th 2013, 10:49 pm

It's been about 15 years since I purchased a Tactical Sling.

The Blackhawk and Benelli both look pretty good.

The one that I purchased had an elastic Chest Strap with a sliding "D-Ring" (it looked like the "Intrepid Tactical Three Point Sling").  I took it apart, copied it, and made a couple more for myself.

It has gone from my Patrol Rifle to my House Clearing Rifle to my Deer Hunting Rifle.  It is great to be standing in the woods with your rifle comfortably hanging in front of you upright, and to be able to immediately bring it up to the shooting position.

If you are going to be using it for "still hunting", I recommend that you get one with an over-padded strap where it goes behind your neck. After an hour, a single piece of 1-inch webbing can start to dig in.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 18th 2013, 2:43 pm

Philip, have you decided on an MSR yet?

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Post by Phillip Gross on November 18th 2013, 9:12 pm

No I haven't. To be 100% honest, while I'd like to have one, I've got a few other irons in the fire that are taking my money at the moment.... Embarassed 
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Post by joecool on November 22nd 2013, 4:34 pm

Is it wise to mention what weaponry you own on a website? Granted, it would take a lot of effort for the gov't can track down everything bought that required a background check. I've never purchased anything that way. And I've never purchased any weapon any other way, either. (last sentence for the benefit of any gov't dark program that searches the internet)

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 22nd 2013, 7:49 pm

I figure it this way they already know who has guns and whatever. They can track your web history, searches, etc. There's no way to prevent their, "all-seeing eye" from knowing what they want to know. If it comes down to an all out dictatorship they aren't going to skip over anyone's house because the NSA doesn't have records of guns bought. I'm a ccw permit holder so if they want to quickly target carriers they already have my name, address, and photo. Lastly, we should not fear our government, our government should fear The People!

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