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Post by joecool on November 5th 2013, 4:31 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again. My generation inherited and then trashed what used to be one country, under God.

So I'm watching a football game last Sunday with my son, and a commercial for a new show was repeatedly shown. "Naked Vegas" is exactly that, no clothes, just body paint. Fortunately, my son has Tivo, but I was grinding my teeth each time. There are lots of reasons why our culture continues to slouch towards Gomorrah, but something occurred to me. Is there a relationship between the decline of morality and the decline of married men?

Guys who don't want to get married, don't take responsibility for their actions, refuse to grow up, or indulge their carnality...they WANT society to get more permissive. But married men don't want their children, especially their daughters, to be faced with an increasingly crappy society. And if government continues to downplay the importance of a father in the home......"Naked Mayberry", et al.


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Post by Claymore on November 5th 2013, 9:33 pm

Bruce, I think that it is the maturation of a "Perfect Storm".

With Washing Machines & McDonalds, Men don't need Women for Clean Clothes & Supper.

You no longer need to do Physical Labor for a Good Income, so Women don't need Men for Financial Support.

Modern Science has not only allowed us to plan When to have Children, we can decide If we want them.

It also allows people to engage in Conduct without Consequences or Obligations.

And people believe that, if one conclusion of the Scientific Community is in conflict with the Bible, it Negates the Entire Text.

I have also noticed that, I feel much closer to God when I am alone in the Country or Woods than when I am Inside or in the City. It seems that, when we only see what Man has built, we have a hard time seeing the Creator.

And since the vast majority of our Population is Urban, guess what they see the most!

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Post by joecool on November 5th 2013, 10:37 pm

If I remember correctly, the "Perfect Storm" didn't end well.

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Post by Mark Jones on November 6th 2013, 10:01 am

I agree. When all we see is man and what man has made our eyes get fixed on man. When we go outside and look at God's handywork. It's just a lot better for our soul.

I can work all week long days working on mans stuff, his computers, systems...and be worn out...take me to the woods on a backback where I have more physical work yet my soul, body and spirit all feel better...much better. I think your right on there.

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Claymore wrote:Bruce, I think that it is the maturation of a "Perfect Storm".

With Washing Machines & McDonalds, Men don't need Women for Clean Clothes & Supper.

You no longer need to do Physical Labor for a Good Income, so Women don't need Men for Financial Support.

Modern Science has not only allowed us to plan When to have Children, we can decide If we want them.

It also allows people to engage in Conduct without Consequences or Obligations.

And people believe that, if one conclusion of the Scientific Community is in conflict with the Bible, it Negates the Entire Text.

I have also noticed that, I feel much closer to God when I am alone in the Country or Woods than when I am Inside or in the City.  It seems that, when we only see what Man has built, we have a hard time seeing the Creator.

And since the vast majority of our Population is Urban, guess what they see the most!
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Post by joecool on November 6th 2013, 10:34 am

The godless left has control of many institutions. Purging our society of references to our Creator, or even of the ability to speak of Him. What they're doing smacks of Talibanism. Remember before the war on terror started? They were blowing up centuries-old Afghani relics of non-Islamic origin. Essentially, that's what the left is doing to America. Trying to destroy our Christian heritage so their worldview is all that's left (oooh, double-meaning there).

Excuse me, but I'm going out for a hike right NOW.

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Post by joecool on November 6th 2013, 2:37 pm

The hike was good. What a Creator we have! Shortly after returning, I got a call inviting me to be the sectional rep for putting together the next statewide men's retreat. I've been to a few since moving to Montana, but honestly, I can't even remember the theme of the one a couple of months ago. (although meeting a RR missionary to Russia was pretty cool)

I humbly accepted. Now I'll need to be in prayer for God's leading on what the next retreat should look like. Holy Spirit, help us to get out of the box and make a lasting difference.

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Post by strods on November 6th 2013, 4:05 pm

Claymore wrote:
I have also noticed that, I feel much closer to God when I am alone in the Country or Woods than when I am Inside or in the City.  It seems that, when we only see what Man has built, we have a hard time seeing the Creator.

And since the vast majority of our Population is Urban, guess what they see the most!
Totally true, were silly to like this old fashioned proven camping program.
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Post by joecool on November 18th 2013, 9:40 am

I'm hosting a small group at my home. It's called "Classic Restoration." We help each other restore old antiques, etc. Then we watch a video series from Ravi Zacharias, called "Deliver Us From Evil." It's about our disintegrating culture. Produced about 15 years ago, it's still spot-on. Our conversation is currently in "group grumble" mode, but they know I want to use them as a think tank.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 18th 2013, 3:18 pm

Gen is prime example God put Adam in the garden they didn't live in a house.

I read, "Last Child in the Woods" about children not exposed to the outdoors having negative effects. The color green has a soothing or calming effect. Parents in section said they saw marked improvement in their son's ability to focus. He had ADHD.

I remember being more physically active camping but not minding it as much compared to being home.

Claymore, to add another cause of lack of married men is it is normal more now to actively encourage married people to break up over every little fight using the logic its better for the kids. I see many situations it gets worse for the kids after divorce. Churches are very open to it more today than ever. Financially, its better for women to remain unwed mothers cause they get more entitlements.

I read an article where Planned Parenthood has a guide for parents to answer sex questions posed by their preschoolers with explicit terms and graphic details. They encourage sex at an early age without consequence: plan b, condoms, shot in the arm, or abortions are encouraged.

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Post by joecool on November 18th 2013, 3:34 pm

Our hedonistic culture has come at a high price: higher rates of divorce, incarceration, addictions, suicide, single parenthood, and disease, not to mention the coming norming of pedophilia and bigamy. It's all been bought on a delayed installment plan, but the bill is soon coming due. Our culture is effectively "upside down", worth far less than what it is has cost us.

I would hope that something short of the rapture would turn it around (after another 7 years of misery), but I don't think anything else could. (Rev 22:20)

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 18th 2013, 3:40 pm

The wages of sin is death...

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Post by joecool on November 27th 2013, 12:28 pm

Out here we have the Montana Family Foundation, kind of a "local" Focus on the Family outfit. I've had the privilege of working with them on a few things in the past. Just got an invitation to join their new Culture Impact effort. Don't know what it is yet, but I like the sound of it!

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Post by joecool on December 7th 2013, 11:29 pm

joecool wrote:I'm hosting a small group at my home. It's called "Classic Restoration." We help each other restore old antiques, etc. Then we watch a video series from Ravi Zacharias, called "Deliver Us From Evil." It's about our disintegrating culture. Produced about 15 years ago, it's still spot-on. Our conversation is currently in "group grumble" mode, but they know I want to use them as a think tank.
A couple days ago, something in that night's lesson really hit me. In 2 Kings 22-23, Josiah took a secular/evil society and turned it 180 degrees around. All because the long-lost Book of the Law was found. Today, there are tens of millions of Bibles in the US. When it comes to turning our own culture around, I'm not sure if that's good news or bad. Good - we don't have to find it. Bad - why aren't we paying attention to it? I'm going to spend time meditating and praying over this passage.

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Post by Claymore on December 8th 2013, 1:15 am

Rule of Human Nature:

If it is Cheap or Easy to Come By, then we place little value on it.

I have seen that apply in classes & seminars. I've seen Government Workers go to Conventions/In Service Training, and sit around the Pool with a drink in their hands during Class.

Conversely, if someone pays $800.00 out of his own pocket for a 3-day Seminar, he is grabbing every bit of Instruction that he can get.

Christians can be the same. Christianity in China and North Korea are Restricted-to-Forbidden. Yet a large portion of those Believers are willing to go to prison or die for their faith.

What is the percentage here, where you can get a free Bible handed to you on a street corner?

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 8th 2013, 7:40 am

Or get a free bible app on your phone... In China a pastor is lucky if he gets a bible to preach from. Often I hear they memorize huge portions of scripture to "hide His Word in their hearts".


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Post by Phillip Gross on December 8th 2013, 12:16 pm

I heard of a pastor in either China, or S. Korea who preached using one page from the Bible for four years. Now that's allowing the Holy Spirit to bring revelation from the Word!
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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 8th 2013, 3:37 pm

Which book and chapters were on the one page?

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Post by Phillip Gross on December 8th 2013, 4:15 pm

I really don't remember. I heard about it years ago.
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Post by joecool on December 17th 2013, 6:45 pm

Well, I went ahead and did it. Sent a working draft of a Culture Contract to the Montana Family Foundation to evaluate. We're on the eve of the 20th anniversary of Newt Gingrich's Contract With America, which did so much (although only temporarily) to change D.C. I figured applying his idea to our culture woes was worth a try.

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Post by Phillip Gross on December 17th 2013, 8:17 pm

Are you able to post it, or at least a link to it?
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Post by joecool on December 17th 2013, 10:21 pm

Phillip Gross wrote:Are you able to post it, or at least a link to it?

If you send me a personal message with your e-mail address, I can get it to you.

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Post by joecool on December 22nd 2013, 12:12 am

Heard on the radio tonight that Canada will be considering country-wide legalization of prostitution next year. With our own Nevada already regulating it, won't be long till there's some kind of lawsuit in which a federal judge will rule in favor of red light districts throughout our nation. When will God turn His back on America?

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 22nd 2013, 12:57 am

Some argue regulating it gets girls out of the hands of street pimp thugs. The current system of arrest, take her $, and throw her back out to do it all over again is about equal to a government tax on prostitution. Its one of those things we'll never squash no matter how much we try we'll spend millions fighting it. I don't agree with it but its gonna happen. At least if she wants to get out of it she won't have the stain of it on her legal record. Whether prostitution is legal or not most major cities have escort services where you pay for escort's "time" and whatever you do with that time is between two consenting adults. If we took the millions we spent on enforcing and prosecuting these women on education that could give them other options.

The Christian Right pushed for prohibition and it created more evil we're still paying for it today. Prohibition saw the rise of organized crime organizations.  Good ole country boys are still making moonshine and even getting reality tv shows about it too.

As a conservative with strong libertarian views I prefer allowing individuals to decide for themselves, use the free-will choice God gave them. Fear of getting caught doesn't stop most people from doing it and I don't want a society where government agents are all up in our business too.

This doesn't mean I condone their actions I just realize the futility of attempting to control others through laws. The way I see it now with so many agencies and depts existing to enforce laws against drugs and prostitution it would be against their best interest to see it dissapear.

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Post by joecool on December 22nd 2013, 3:29 pm

Dan, this will sound like I'm attacking your position, but I don't want you to take it personally. Let me just say that the inability or unwillingness to stand up to vice is no way to set an example for our kids and grandkids. I will fight sin through any means at my disposal, whether it be through prayer, personal example, or the rule of law.

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