Re: October Thread

[RRCmdrBennett]

Where's Christi when we need her??

[Phillip Gross]

Hopefully in the kitchen.... Chris has to eat too!
(Don't tell her I said that)

Nice new avatar Dan.

[RRCmdrBennett]

Oooh boy I don't think St Johns is that far from the Carolinas.

Thanks I figured you'd notice.

[Claymore]

Hopefully in the kitchen.... Chris has to eat too!
(Don't tell her I said that)

Nice new avatar Dan.

[joecool]

Hopefully in the kitchen.... Chris has to eat too!

What's up here? Someone auditioning for Death Wish IV?

[RRCmdrBennett]

I guess a screen shot to Carson maybe in order...

[Claymore]

Hopefully in the kitchen.... Chris has to eat too!

What's up here? Someone auditioning for Death Wish IV?

AAAAH!   Getting shot at is easy.


I can show you how to do it in an afternoon.


(As our Mortar Sergeant used to say,  "Been to the 2-Way Rifle Range.  That's where you shoot at the Pop-Up Targets, and the Pop-Up Targets shoot back at you.")

[RRCmdrBennett]

That should be Philip's new avatar!

[RRCmdrBennett]

This is Michigan's reciprocity map from my "Legal Heat" phone app Philip. I think the question begs to be asked, "do ya feel lucky punk?" She's covered in the Carolinas.

[Phillip Gross]

That should be Philip's new avatar!

I don't type anything on the interweb that I don't say in real life to people's face!

Now of course when I say all that kind of stuff at home or church, I'll do it with a little crooked smile awaiting the reaction that it will provoke. I love seeing the reactions on the ladies faces when it registers what I just said. That's when the daggers start shooting out of their eyes, and I'm filled with so much joy that I was able to get another person's goat!

[RRCmdrBennett]

I know it was tongue in cheek. Just messing back.

[joecool]

Early this morning, one of the Americans who stopped the Muslim terrorists on the French train was stabbed multiple times. He's in a Sacramento hospital in critical, but stable condition. Prayers for him. If it was a retaliatory attack, stand by.

[Claymore]

I just read a report (posted by a national news service 17 minutes ago).  It states that it does not appear to be related to the incident on the train or as an act of retaliation.

This is by no means a judgement of the victim nor a professional Intel Assessment, but as a generalization:

It states that he was at a bar with friends, an argument ensued, & went outside the bar where he was stabbed.   Just knowing young men in general (and Service Members in particular), they sometimes go to places where the danger is higher than the General Public.

As a cop, I often said that it is not always what you do, but often where you are, and who you are with.  I arrested many people at taverns, but never arrested a single person at a church (and the section of Milwaukee where I started as a Patrol Officer had 112 churches and 114 taverns: pretty even odds).

[Phillip Gross]

Well the washing machine finally had enough today. It'd been sounding bad for awhile, but finally called it quits today. Was chatting with one of the associates when we went to the local Lowe's to pick up another one tonight about how my parent's washer and dryer lasted my entire childhood while this last one we had only lasted a little over five years. He chuckled at that because he sees it all the time. If it's not the mechanical components, then it's a computer board that goes out and it costs almost as much to replace those as does a new unit. Just another disposable product in our culture. Seems like that's the way of everything now...

[RRCmdrBennett]

No profit in once and done sales.

[Phillip Gross]

At least in the short term. That's why everything is outsourced to foreign countries. In the long term it ends up hurting us.

[RRCmdrBennett]

I just read a report (posted by a national news service 17 minutes ago).  It states that it does not appear to be related to the incident on the train or as an act of retaliation.

This is by no means a judgement of the victim nor a professional Intel Assessment, but as a generalization:

It states that he was at a bar with friends, an argument ensued, & went outside the bar where he waps stabbed.   Just knowing young men in general (and Service Members in particular), they sometimes go to places where the danger is higher than the General Public.

As a cop, I often said that it is not always what you do, but often where you are, and who you are with.  I arrested many people at taverns, but never arrested a single person at a church (and the section of Milwaukee where I started as a Patrol Officer had 112 churches and 114 taverns: pretty even odds).

So on average each church owned 1 tavern...?

[Phillip Gross]

I miss the days of .22 bullets being super cheap. The .22 is a fun gun to shoot, but now you think about every shot so you don't deplete you stock too quickly instead of just going to buy another brick at walmart.

I still don't understand why the prices went up so high on them. Anyone know? (Definitively)

[Claymore]

Yup!  When I was a kid, Winchester .22 LR were 78 cents per box at the Western Auto Hardware Store.

If the Internet Discussions on this subject were printed, they would take Reams of Paper.

The Long & Short of what they have come up with was that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan depleted military stocks of ammunition.  Because National Defense is Priority #1 with ammo manufacturers, they converted to using their facilities for this.  

Then Obama started pushing for Firearms & Ammo Bans.  Firearms Owners started to get concerned.  They had been happy to have 2 boxes of ammunition on the shelf, but with Obama's threats, they wanted to have a year (or two) worth of ammunition available.  Because they don't trust the government, they feel that they must have their own stock, because they feel that the Government can control the manufacturers and stores. This dried up the normal stock of ammunition in the store, and made a self-fulfilling prophesy.

The manufacturers COULD have opened new plants and expanded existing facilities, but WHEN the current panic is over and everyone has a year, or two, or three of ammunition & they go to using up their hoards, rather than purchasing, the manufacturers are stuck with idle facilities, machinery, and personnel that still must be paid for. 

They are electing to play it safe.  They are having their employees work overtime, but they are not going to invest in facilities or personnel that they will still have to pay for when the current situation is over (can you say "Republican President?") and the people are no longer concerned about being able to obtain ammunition at the store.

[joecool]

So what's the shelf life of ammo if kept in a cool, dry location?

[Phillip Gross]

Well the rain finally hit me! We had another gully washer today on top of the already saturated earth, so my septic system at my shop backed up out of the floor drain and flooded my shop with biological warfare. I finally cut open the system at a lower level than the shop to relieve the back flow, but it had already flooded. Yuck! Anyway, it's supposed to stop raining tonight and be sunny tomorrow, so I'll be pulling everything out tomorrow after church to sort through what needs to be thrown away and what can be cleaned and saved.

[Claymore]

Sorry 'bout that. Been there; done that in Milwaukee.

[Claymore]

So what's the shelf life of ammo if kept in a cool, dry location?

I have shot U.S. stuff from WWII with virtually no misfires.

Your mentioned key-words "Cool, Dry" are the real secret.  U.S. Military Primers are pretty stable.  However, various U.S. Military Contractors manufactured corrosively-primed ammunition up through 1956, so anything with a headstamp year of "57" or later should be safe.

Ammunition manufactured in Europe and the Middle East have had corrosive primers up through the 1980's and later.  Also, I have heard numerous reports of Middle Eastern 8mm ammunition manufactured in the 1950's and 1960's having a high number of Misfires, Hangfires, and Pfffst's.  Again, 'most all Middle Eastern Ammunition should be considered corrosive, unless proven otherwise. (Now, this does not apply to current "Hansen", "PRVI", "Eley", or Commercial Russian (Brown Bear, Tula, etc) ammunition.)

So, if we are speaking of U.S. Military or Commercial Ammunition (with controlled storage):
3 years of less: Critical Use (Carry Ammunition or "Nightstand" Ammunition)
10 years or less: Hunting and Competition Ammunition
1957 or later: Target Practice and Shooting Drills.

[Canadarangers]

Well the rain finally hit me! We had another gully washer today on top of the already saturated earth, so my septic system at my shop backed up out of the floor drain and flooded my shop with biological warfare. I finally cut open the system at a lower level than the shop to relieve the back flow, but it had already flooded. Yuck! Anyway, it's supposed to stop raining tonight and be sunny tomorrow, so I'll be pulling everything out tomorrow after church to sort through what needs to be thrown away and what can be cleaned and saved.

My Backyard is a lake from October until March. We live in a low area and we have a high water table too. Also we are dealing with that past 24 hours of rain, the remnants of Hurricane Oho. Wind is gone now and most of the rain is stopped. I should had invested in a boat and a life jacket for my dog.

I love life on the wet coast.

[Canadarangers]

Oh yeah and HAPPY CANADIAN THANKSGIVING EH!!

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