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Post by cmdrPaul on June 25th 2014, 3:08 pm

I'm currently on a trip (business) over in Germany. I had heard that Rangers is big over here, so I checked their website. Wow. It is big. It takes a little translation work, but appears that their version of 'camporama' is this summer. They have over 14000 people registered to attend. I also think that it is interesting that on their website, right at the top left is says "Christian Scouts." Here is their site: https://royal-rangers.de/
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Post by Mark Jones on June 25th 2014, 5:33 pm

Yes sir we could learn something from them. They are big time into lashing projects and scouting type stuff. Boys and girls. Men and Women. It's a great family ministry as well.

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Post by joecool on June 25th 2014, 10:14 pm

It's been a few years, but I looked for and found Rangers in Singapore and Sydney. Heavy emphasis on the outdoors. Way behind the US trend. (sarcasm off)

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Post by joecool on June 25th 2014, 10:17 pm

I took German for a year in high school. Listening to our teacher's heavy accent, we all thought it was pretty cool that he was from the old country. A month later, we found out he was from Boston.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on June 26th 2014, 12:22 am

They knew what product they were importing when they adopted and retooled Royal Rangers to fit a coed environment. It could work here and still give the gender-specific supporters time to bond and teach boys and women teach girls.

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Post by Mark Jones on June 26th 2014, 7:15 am

I don't think the women teach girls. The Leaders teach uniformly and the only difference in the what the boys and girls do is at night girls camp here boys camp over there. Yet even at that it's always using the 3 person rule.

Folks get into trouble when they do the one on one thing.

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Post by cmdrPaul on June 26th 2014, 5:01 pm

Sorry not to jump back into this conversation sooner, I was travelling home this morning. What really struck me about the German Royal Rangers website is that it appeals to boys. The first page of the website has boys hiking and boys and girls doing outdoor activities. This is all stuff that really appeals to a lot of kids. On the U.S. Ranger page the first thing you see is two boys and a leader studying a book. Two of the next items below that are things to buy. It seems a shame that we have such a great history of Rangers here, but we are drifting away from our original identity. What really is wrong with calling it a Christian Scouting group? I think that is a lot more appealing to boys than a 'mentoring group.'
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Post by Mark Jones on June 26th 2014, 9:16 pm

You have said the same thing we have said over and over. We don't get it. They don't get it. We don't hope for them to fall flat on their faces but it looks like that is what it will take to get them to get out of the way so we can get back to being a Christian Scouting Organization. When I asked some of the upper District Staff what they thought of Doug's Resignation... 3 words came out. "It's about time"

I look forward to the days when these vision casters cast themselves out of the boat and we can get back to Gospel and Christian Scouting.

This modern day church movement paradyn shift stuff is so much garage its made the church sick. The church has fallen for the World telling it how it should act.

God's word is pretty basic and what we should be doing is simple and laid out in the word. Man's ways are always skirting around what Gods plan is. I would like to have a whip and enter into the gates of the money changers and turn over some tables. We need a good ole fashioned cleaning and throwing out the money changers out of our Churches and it's ministries. Too many follks on the take.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on June 26th 2014, 10:37 pm

Mark, no one suggested a one on one alone time wit boys. To appease the gender specific only camp we may split up for devotions. I see no issue teaching lashing to a coed group. There is nothing gender specific about that.

Mark, totally agree as usual money changers and business methods need an Indy style whipping.

Paul, I never took notice of the differences in web site promos. Yes, it shows a big difference in the mindsets of Germany vs USA. They appeal to boys and girls, where we are targeting pastors.

So, Paul what's your take on coed Royal Rangers in the USA?

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Post by joecool on June 26th 2014, 11:23 pm

RRCmdrBennett wrote: They appeal to boys and girls, where we are targeting pastors. 

Profound observation. Unfortunately, that's where our culture has taken us. Boys have been sissified by the educational system for a couple of decades now. And most of today's pastors grew up under that indoctrination. They don't know how to reach boys the way we used to do it. It doesn't even cross their minds. As a result, too much of the national staff bought into trying to influence the pastors. I don't know about you guys, but my experience has been that a few volunteers and Dads run Rangers. Pastors don't. And too many volunteers and Dads got fed up with being bogged down by too much training, empowering and changes. What was wrong with the original LMA and NTC? They covered it all. "KISS/Keep It Simple, Stupid"

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on June 27th 2014, 6:27 am

Amen!

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Post by cmdrPaul on June 27th 2014, 6:57 am

I have no problem with coed Rangers.  At our church, the girls program (MPACT)is pretty weak, so  the girls start the evening with the rangers, and sometimes join us again at the end for either food or a game.  The teacher they had just wanted to do book work, so the girls loved having some fun.  years ago (before my time), our outpost had a female commander, but the others wouldn't let her do anything except RK's.  She wanted to go camping, but they said no.  It's a shame, because she was really interested.  Hey, If I could get my wife to go camping camping in a tent instead of the marriott, i would love it!
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Post by Mark Jones on June 27th 2014, 7:18 am

My female commanders were over the Straight Arrows RK age but they had their own boys that were Pioneer DR ER age and they went on many of our outpost campouts.

The Mpact groups came and camped with us on 2 different occassions.

It's the leadership that makes thing go or sink. My personal opinion is we are Christians first. That dictates a moral lifestyle and things should fall in line behind that. If you have folks doing imoral acts while camping...they most likely are going to do those same things while they are not camping. 3 person rule is always the best defense.

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Post by Mark Jones on June 27th 2014, 7:28 am

It's not just boys. It's all accross the board. With Leaders and boys and girls. Strive for the 3 person rule to be in affect at all times. Training, camping, crafting, hiking, swimming it's all the same for boys, girls, man and woman. Only when the activity is beyond the physical abilitiy of the person should they not participate in it. I have seen girls that were tougher than most men. A blanket rule of no girls camping is just policital correct AG policy because of ministry boundries they don't want crossed pierod..has nothing to do with the abilities. We are protecting Jobs here.
That is what I have been told by national staff in mpact and ranger ministries. It's to our demise that we continue on with this stuff. A coed ranger program will be like over seas and will empty the youth department if we do as the do over seas and become a Christian Scouting Program again. What we have now is mush toast. Standing for nothing has made our footprint weak.

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RRCmdrBennett wrote:Mark, no one suggested a one on one alone time wit boys. To appease the gender specific only camp we may split up for devotions. I see no issue teaching lashing to a coed group. There is nothing gender specific about that.

Mark, totally agree as usual money changers and business methods need an Indy style whipping.

Paul, I never took notice of the differences in web site promos. Yes, it shows a big difference in the mindsets of Germany vs USA. They appeal to boys and girls, where we are targeting pastors.

So, Paul what's your take on coed Royal Rangers in the USA?  
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Post by joecool on June 27th 2014, 10:24 am

Mark Jones wrote: Standing for nothing has made our footprint weak.

I have got to write that down.

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Post by joecool on June 27th 2014, 10:27 am

Mark Jones wrote:My female commanders were over the Straight Arrows  RK age but they had their own boys that were Pioneer DR ER age and they went on many of our outpost campouts.

Being so close to Springfield, how did you ever get away with that? Make them wear camouflage? Photoshop them out of camping pictures put online?

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Post by ccm2361 on June 27th 2014, 11:01 pm

cmdrPaul wrote:I have no problem with coed Rangers.

Me either  Mr Green 

But that's not surprise to the rest of you Laughing  Our Outpost has been coed since 2010   

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Post by ccm2361 on June 27th 2014, 11:02 pm

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Mark Jones wrote:My female commanders were over the Straight Arrows  RK age but they had their own boys that were Pioneer DR ER age and they went on many of our outpost campouts.

Being so close to Springfield, how did you ever get away with that? Make them wear camouflage? Photoshop them out of camping pictures put online?


hehe Mark is a renegade from way back  Laughing 

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Post by ccm2361 on June 27th 2014, 11:04 pm

cmdrPaul wrote:I'm currently on a trip (business) over in Germany.  I had heard that Rangers is big over here,

The Germans have an awesome program. They know what works & they stick to it. The largest Ranger Outpost in the world is in Stuttgart Germany with over 1200 Rangers

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on June 28th 2014, 4:50 pm

Thats the whole Potomac district  Very Happy 

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on June 28th 2014, 4:51 pm

Does Germany nat'l HQ run a chartering system requiring a fee for every boy and girl?

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Post by Mark Jones on June 28th 2014, 10:26 pm

I learned a long time ago. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission. When we ask someone for permission to do something we find out all the things others did that went wrong and don't try anything new. GRIN! So many times they bring in policy over the happening of one freak event ignoring 25 years of no freak events and changing it is almost impossible.
Each outpost is soverign...they can pick and choose what they want to do. A Strength of the AG system. Absolute control by man has always failed. As long as it's not a moral issue and you have the blessings of your church board. Ranger on. Some of the best Commanders I had in Royal Rangers are females. They still are limited to what they can do but I just encourage what they can do and thank them for those efforts. Want a woman to attend Pow Wow... have her volunteer at the concession stand. GRIN! She doesn't sleep there but is there for most of it.

I remember one time at Camporama. We brought bikes to travel from our campsite to our vehicles. Our DC got called in on it.. he told me I didn't authorize you to bring bikes... I smiled at him and said I never asked you if I could. We got by with the bikes for 3 days of Camporama. GRIN! The golf carts are better than bikes... just got to bring one and loan it out to a National Staff person a bit at Camporama now..GRIN!. Half the time is better than none grin! Gotta work with in the system they have and work the loop holes.

The Mpact group that came camping with us had their tents and gear set up and brougth down way before we (boys) ever got motivated to get it done. They put us to shame.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on June 29th 2014, 12:02 am

Yes, I was told when we had Powettes the girls were meticulous in the campsite competitions. This is going to sound sexist but seems often true that women and girls take pride in their keeping of the place they call home be it a dwelling or a tent. We just want to go trek out somewhere for fun while leaving the details of home management behind.

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Post by Mark Jones on June 29th 2014, 10:32 am

In the past 2 years I have had more coed outings maily because my son brings his friends. No real difference in boys and girls on these outings with of course a few moral checks and balances that are common sense.

When the Jews were traversing the dessert for 40 years...it was the whole family that went. So tent camping is totally doeable for the whole family. What gets in the way is flesh and lazyness.

The Germans look at us like we are a odd duck and have a great Ranger program based on a Christian Scouting. Pierod. I don't think they are out to beat the Boyscouts at scouting they just use the scouting program like we used to as a vehicle to Reach, Teach and Keep Folks for Christ. Works. What we have now is wet toast in comparison.
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Post by Claymore on June 29th 2014, 2:44 pm

I love Mark....

He can slap you in the face with the Truth, and still be gentle & Christian at the same time.

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