Search
 
 

Display results as :
 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Keywords

database  

Latest topics
» December 2017 Thread
by joecool Today at 5:52 pm

» Culture Rot
by joecool Today at 5:44 pm

» how do I download the database
by Mark Jones December 8th 2017, 7:55 pm

» Hercules Glades Coy Bald Devils Den Discovery Rangers Backpacking Trip.
by Mark Jones November 29th 2017, 7:25 am

» Roman Coins for Teaching & Gifts
by RRCmdrBennett November 25th 2017, 3:36 pm

» November 2017 Thread
by joecool November 23rd 2017, 10:26 pm

» Joke of the Day
by joecool November 22nd 2017, 9:28 pm

» Richland Creek destinatin Richland Falls up creek
by Mark Jones November 22nd 2017, 7:16 am

» Church Security
by RRCmdrBennett November 21st 2017, 10:04 pm

Statistics
We have 68 registered users
The newest registered user is Johnnycooper14@outlook.co

Our users have posted a total of 13490 messages in 718 subjects

Old Lever guns

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Old Lever guns

Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 16th 2013, 1:38 pm

I came upon this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7zZ_D8nqI of Hickok comparing the various leaver action rifles of the 2nd half of the 19th century. I love the finish of the action on the second Winchester from the left. His comments on the military being slow to adopt the repeating lever guns really flies opposite of modern day propaganda that certain weapons are reserved for the government only.

_________________
Dan Bennett
Sr Commander (2007-2016)
N Central Area Communications Coord, CI (2016)
RR Outpost #215, Ohio District :flag:
RR GMA #83 Potomac Dist-#2366 Nat'l

"Be Ready, It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark."

fire FCF Frontiersman 9/91 fire
Free Trapper 2016
Training Seminars/Camps:
LTC LMA 5/94, Ranger Basics 1/05, LTA LMA 5/05, NTC IL 5/09, WCO 10/09, ICS 4/10, RKTC 7/10, Ranger Essentials 8/10, NRMC 10/11,
Outpost Leader Advancement Levels:
LMA-Advanced 10/11, MoE 2012-092

RR v1.99

avatar
RRCmdrBennett
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 3390
Join date : 2013-05-15
Age : 41
Location : Ohio

Back to top Go down

Re: Old Lever guns

Post by Claymore on December 16th 2013, 9:52 pm

I saw on a show on the Outdoor Network (I believe on "Shooting Gallery") that they had a "Police Carbine" Class at Gunsite Academy.

The most popular was the AR-15, and there may have been a couple of Marlin Carbines & similar.

One old Sheriff's Deputy from out west showed up with his Winchester Model 94. They said that it spent so much time in the Cruiser that there was no blueing left on it.

Thay said that the Old Deputy just "kicked butt" in the competition against some of the guys with their "space guns".

_________________
"Rangers Lead the Way"

18Z,        11B4X

"The last thing that I want to do is to hurt you,...................... but it's still on the list."
avatar
Claymore
Super Star Member
Super Star Member

Posts : 2133
Join date : 2013-05-17
Location : Northern Mississippi

Back to top Go down

Re: Old Lever guns

Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 17th 2013, 2:58 pm

He did better with a lever gun than an AR-15?

I'd like a lever gun at some point. I grew up watching reruns of the old westerns.

Claymore, in your opinion would it be likely that a round sliding down the magazine tube or rounds being inserted point to point cause a discharge?

_________________
Dan Bennett
Sr Commander (2007-2016)
N Central Area Communications Coord, CI (2016)
RR Outpost #215, Ohio District :flag:
RR GMA #83 Potomac Dist-#2366 Nat'l

"Be Ready, It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark."

fire FCF Frontiersman 9/91 fire
Free Trapper 2016
Training Seminars/Camps:
LTC LMA 5/94, Ranger Basics 1/05, LTA LMA 5/05, NTC IL 5/09, WCO 10/09, ICS 4/10, RKTC 7/10, Ranger Essentials 8/10, NRMC 10/11,
Outpost Leader Advancement Levels:
LMA-Advanced 10/11, MoE 2012-092

RR v1.99

avatar
RRCmdrBennett
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 3390
Join date : 2013-05-15
Age : 41
Location : Ohio

Back to top Go down

Re: Old Lever guns

Post by Phillip Gross on December 17th 2013, 8:16 pm

I have a pre-64 (top eject) model 94 Winchester 30/30 and I love it! It is a really solid shooting gun. I think when I looked up the serial number I found that it was made in the late 40s. It feels like silk to shoot.
avatar
Phillip Gross
Super Star Member
Super Star Member

Posts : 2381
Join date : 2013-05-14

Back to top Go down

Re: Old Lever guns

Post by Claymore on December 17th 2013, 9:22 pm

RRCmdrBennett wrote:He did better with a lever gun than an AR-15?

 
It all depends on the Course of Fire. I have seen some police Courses of Fire that involve firing a number of rounds with your hand-gun and transitioning to your long-gun (or vice versa)

Now if you are talking about firing 40 rounds with magazine changes, then of course not. But most police shootings are 3 to 5 rounds, and so much training is based around what you will statisticly encounter.


RRCmdrBennett wrote:Claymore, in your opinion would it be likely that a round sliding down the magazine tube or rounds being inserted point to point cause a discharge?

Current & past wisdom says "Yes".

If the metal of the primer compresses enough (& sharply) then it will ignite the compound inside by crushing it between the "skin" of the primer and the "anvil" inside.

That's why 'most-all ammunition which is used primarily in lever-guns (30-30, 32-20, .35 Remington, etc) comes almost exclusively with Round Nose, Flat Tip, or Rubber Tip Bullets.

Imagine if you put a magazine of FMJ Spire-Point .308's in a magazine tube, and they took the shock of recoil (remember that recoil is enough to throw the innards of a cheap scope off).

_________________
"Rangers Lead the Way"

18Z,        11B4X

"The last thing that I want to do is to hurt you,...................... but it's still on the list."
avatar
Claymore
Super Star Member
Super Star Member

Posts : 2133
Join date : 2013-05-17
Location : Northern Mississippi

Back to top Go down

Re: Old Lever guns

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum