Re: July Thread

[Christi]

Are there any independent studies evaluating Yoga that draw the same conclusion as the Doctor did about spinal injuries?  To non Christians his statement would be accused of being biased since he is Christian.

There seems to be some debate on this point. Say say yoga will help ease back pain, while others back up the doctor.
Even some of the pro yoga people say it can make existing back or spinal pain worse.

Is the recent Yoga trend in exercise a modern reinterpretation?  When Hindus practiced Yoga was it with the intent of exercise or purely a form of worship?  

From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism
In whatever way a Hindu defines the goal of life, there are several methods (yogas) that sages have taught for reaching that goal. Texts dedicated to Yoga include the Bhagavad Gita, the Yoga Sutras, the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, and, as their philosophical and historical basis, the Upanishads. Paths that one can follow to achieve the spiritual goal of life (moksha, samadhi or nirvana) include:

   Bhakti Yoga (the path of love and devotion)
   Karma Yoga (the path of right action)
   Rāja Yoga (the path of meditation)
   Jñāna Yoga (the path of wisdom)[179]

An individual may prefer one or some yogas over others, according to his or her inclination and understanding. Some devotional schools teach that bhakti is the only practical path to achieve spiritual perfection for most people, based on their belief that the world is currently in the Kali Yuga (one of four epochs which are part of the Yuga cycle).[180] Practice of one yoga does not exclude others. Many schools believe that the different yogas naturally blend into and aid other yogas. For example, the practice of jnana yoga, is thought to inevitably lead to pure love (the goal of bhakti yoga), and vice versa.[181] Someone practicing deep meditation (such as in raja yoga) must embody the core principles of karma yoga, jnana yoga and bhakti yoga, whether directly or indirectly

wiki yoga article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga
In the West, the term "yoga" is today typically associated with Hatha yoga and its asanas (postures) or as a form of exercise. In the 1960s, western interest in Hindu spirituality reached its peak, giving rise to a great number of Neo-Hindu schools specifically advocated to a western public.

Given a choice between doing hindu postures just for exercise (and in my opinion opens the door for satan in your life and country) versus saying scripture verses out loud while exercising, thereby giving praise and glory to our Lord and Maker, which God wants us to do, we draw closer to him through praying and praise and worship and he transforms us from the inside out, and we become a new creation

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin[b] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

I don't know about anyone else but I have had a lot of trouble with satans junk in my head most of my life.......BUT NOT ANY MORE!!!!!

[ccm2361]

Well we WERE going to the lake until I had a little sewing accident! Was working on a project sitting on the floor. Needed to shift my position and had the scissors in my hand. As I shifted the scissors caught the floor while my leg continued full speed ahead onto the scissors. Good times! At the ER now for a couple stitches.
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Nice shooting Tex  

May I suggest the tool craft merit for safe handling of tools (and scissors)  



J/K Glad you weren't seriously hurt

[RRCmdrBennett]

Thanks Christi I do appreciate a well articulated arguement that defends a position. Sadly, many preachers imho just tell ya, "don't do x" just cuz I said so without an in depth explanation of why. I always question why...its my nature.

The different paths and goals reminds me of a sermon pastor preached on man trying to build bridges to God when He built a bridge (Jesus) to us through the cross.

[Phillip Gross]

Nice shooting Tex  

May I suggest the tool craft merit for safe handling of tools (and scissors)  



J/K  Glad you weren't seriously hurt

Yes, the Tool Craft Merit has been suggested to me couple times already! We actually had one of Seth's friends over when it happened. As I hobbled out to the car so we could all leave I told them "This concludes my demonstration about the importance of scissor safety".

If you can't laugh at yourself then you'll have a tough(er) time in life!

[RRCmdrBennett]

Keep the picture for a reminder to your rangers what not to do

[Phillip Gross]

I even used it as somewhat of an object lesson this morning for children's church. Tied it back in a round about way to 1 Sam 15:22. Hey, use what you can!

[ccm2361]

there ya go

[Phillip Gross]

Smoking a few chickens for our church planning meeting at our house this afternoon while other chickens look on.... I wonder if they know?
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[RRCmdrBennett]

They say cattle get jittery when they smell the slaughter house. They have to be pushed in.

[Phillip Gross]

I don't know.... chickens are pretty stupid!!

[RRCmdrBennett]

So dumb they can still run around with their head cut off...

[Phillip Gross]

Yeah exactly! And mean too!!! If chickens were 6' tall they'd take over the world. I sincerely think that...

[red squirrel]

Howdy!

Some good posts and discussion about yoga and eastern practices and such.
I have some inside info on martial arts, but no personal experience. I do know the forms I have heard about carry heavily laced teachings of "energy flow", or inner self power and concentration. The oriental people do consider it hard to teach "round eyes" their practices they have grown up with. I think its because we have access to more information, and not being in a closed society DO question more things we are taught.

Also I know with Karate, I could never take part because of the bowing to the sensae (spelling???) or whoever one is matching up against. Just couldnt do it.

Now as to the dancing, I grew up with no dancing (outside a move of Holy Spirit), but have recently within the last year have had a change of heart. As a kid growing up, I was taught dancing was at least a doorway into sin or evil things. I still do not disagree with that in some forms of dance. But, as an adult and most recently I was exposed to a homeschooling group who does English country dances, from . . . , wait for it . . . ye 18th century, and I had to go see. Now, granted, these are all believers, but, I found no "matchmaking" going on, no immaturity, and no harm at all even for my own daughter to take part. So she now enjoys the actual researched dances our colonial families did for socialization back some 250 years ago in this country. There are parents who also take part, and the men (males) ask the ladies to dance at the start of each dance. There are 10 year olds who ask their mothers to dance, 26 year old males who I know personally who ask girls my daughters age (13) to dance, and married couples of 15 years or more dancing together. Now again, time and place, and dance style. Nothing is inapproporiate, and nothing is even close to match making in nature. So I personally, am ok with it. Now, I have already had a talk with my daughter about other secular dances and in other settings, and what their intent is.

[red squirrel]

Wow, while im typing a post, theres 7 or more in front of me.

I guess I need to take that typing class sometime.

[RRCmdrBennett]

What's the issue with bowing? I perceive it as a sign or gesture of respect and sportsmanship. Much in same way a jr officer salutes a superior then superior returns salute second.

Martial arts I think could be Christianized if chi and other inner energy stuff was replaced with a reliance on God and His spirit.

[Christi]

Thanks Christi I do appreciate a well articulated arguement that defends a position. Sadly, many preachers imho just tell ya, "don't do x" just cuz I said so without an in depth explanation of why. I always question why...its my nature.

The different paths and goals reminds me of a sermon pastor preached on man trying to build bridges to God when He built a bridge (Jesus) to us through the cross.

its o.k., I needed it, I have already heard some of those questions and now I have it all typed out so I can print it and have it available for future reference   

[Christi]

What's the issue with bowing? I perceive it as a sign or gesture of respect and sportsmanship. Much in same way a jr officer salutes a superior then superior returns salute second.

Martial arts I think could be Christianized if chi and other inner energy stuff was replaced with a reliance on God and His spirit.

I don't know a lot about martial arts either,but I know it costs to much for us right now and I know its not from our culture, Those two reasons is enough for me to look for other ways to be physically fit. I do think on the issue of bowing that the why and who behind bowing (or the reason for it) is very important to me.

If God had wanted me to do karate he would have supplied the money when I needed it... like he did for PraiseMoves  

[Christi]

Howdy!

Some good posts and discussion about yoga and eastern practices and such.
I have some inside info on martial arts, but no personal experience. I do know the forms I have heard about carry heavily laced teachings of "energy flow", or inner self power and concentration. The oriental people do consider it hard to teach "round eyes" their practices they have grown up with. I think its because we have access to more information, and not being in a closed society DO question more things we are taught.

Also I know with Karate, I could never take part because of the bowing to the sensae (spelling???) or whoever one is matching up against. Just couldnt do it.

Now as to the dancing, I grew up with no dancing (outside a move of Holy Spirit), but have recently within the last year have had a change of heart. As a kid growing up, I was taught dancing was at least a doorway into sin or evil things. I still do not disagree with that in some forms of dance. But, as an adult and most recently I was exposed to a homeschooling group who does English country dances, from . . . , wait for it . . . ye 18th century, and I had to go see. Now, granted, these are all believers, but, I found no "matchmaking" going on, no immaturity, and no harm at all even for my own daughter to take part. So she now enjoys the actual researched dances our colonial families did for socialization back some 250 years ago in this country. There are parents who also take part, and the men (males) ask the ladies to dance at the start of each dance. There are 10 year olds who ask their mothers to dance, 26 year old males who I know personally who ask girls my daughters age (13) to dance, and married couples of 15 years or more dancing together. Now again, time and place, and dance style. Nothing is inapproporiate, and nothing is even close to match making in nature. So I personally, am ok with it. Now, I have already had a talk with my daughter about other secular dances and in other settings, and what their intent is.

I agree about the dancing too, as with most everything in life it comes down to ....who, what, when, where and why  
Thank you to our Lord and the men and women in the armed forces that we can question others and ourselves what we want to do, say, and think    God is Awesome

[RRCmdrBennett]

Unlike Yoga the martial arts do have a practical purpose of defending yourself. Armed forces uses some of it to teach hand to hand combat but I don't think they teach chi, inner strength, etc. Martial arts can be self taught for free.

I wouldn't fear it based on coming from another culture. Christianity and the old testament came out from the Jews and we were grafted in. Gunpowder comes from the Chinese but we use it in our firearms for self-defense.

[Mark Jones]

Ok. Now let me get this right. Phillip is doing a juice diet cut himself with sissors and you guys and gals are into martial arts... and all I have been doing is Camping.

FCF Adventure went great had 6 boys go through. Family vacation low end type camping at the lake near my daughters house. Spent most of the time hanging out and working my buddies boat. GRIN! I am so glad to get back to work...errr.. Thursday is the first day of BAC or old name Junior Training Trails. Teaching and then going backpacking.

Spent Sunday night cleaning up from Pow Wow. 60 in our camp. That means 60 chairs, 30 tents... stuff was all over the place. Put most of it away.

I was worn out from all the camping, hiking, walking, setting up and tear downs and boat fixes and tire blowouts that well I was just glad to get back to work today.

Mark Jones

[ccm2361]

You are a working machine Mark  


Way to be a great servant leader  

[RRCmdrBennett]

He's one of the rare breeds who is called to be both.

[red squirrel]

Howdy!

On the bowing issue, I would not bow to any person, regardless of who they are, their intentions, or what they were trying to teach me. Even if its a cultural thing, I bow to no one but God.

I do know several Christians who practice martial arts, and have no problem with it. Personally, I do.

Mark, great report!

Im busy also. We had a rescheduled camporee (which Shane was there and I didnt know it!) that went well for a rescheduled camping event. I returned from fort Harrod in Kentucky a few weeks ago where I helped a friend do some historical impressions and basically "show off" someone historical. My daughter and I leave for the creation museum in Kentucky tomorrow, then to fort Boonesborough and fort Harrod again after that, to return sometime before this Sunday. It will be our "vacation" this summer.

Good times

[Mark Jones]

Just called the wife. She, my son, his girlfriend and two of my sons friends are all at White Water Water Park. Me.. I get to dodge the wasps and the dripping sweat waiting to get shocked via my sweaty arm up on the at&t strand. YES !!! LIfe is good.

Lunch time. Going into to vacume the Ranger Annex for my lunch hour... (hit me again would someone please...GRIN)

Is this hell or am I dreaming.....it's hot outside where I am at! Tempering for the backpack! woo whoo!

Mark Jones

[RRCmdrBennett]

I see where you're coming from Simeon. I suppose its how different cultures interpret the same action.

Mark, quit it you're making the rest of us look bad! J/k

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