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Post by RRCmdrBennett January 20th 2014, 12:07 am

Ben, one of my Rangers and I were talking about attending the Men's Advance (www.mensadvance.net) in March. Its essentially a men's retreat but they say men advance not retreat. Anyway, they do .22, paintball, shotgun, archery, and rod & reel casting accuracy competitions. 

The gun competition is open sights only.  The rifle I gave Ben is scope only. He is going to borrow his grandfather's JC Higgins model 103.229 bolt action rifle. He can't find too much info on it except say its basically a Marlin model 81. Its marked .22 on he barrel but no LR or Long Rifle after it. He needs to know if its LR or not.

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Post by ccm2361 January 21st 2014, 12:01 am

It can use .22 short, long & long rifle

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Post by RRCmdrBennett January 21st 2014, 1:14 am

Cool that work. Thats nice thing about bolt guns is using different size ammo.

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Post by Claymore January 21st 2014, 11:31 pm

Be advised, however, that changing types of ammunition will change your point-of-impact on the target.

I was trying out a bolt-action .22 rifle at/about 75 feet. .22 shorts hit about 3 inches lower than .22 LR.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett January 21st 2014, 11:47 pm

Do you think Longs and LR's would differ much? I figure shorts would since they'd have less powder.

We'll probably be shooting LR ammo.

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Post by Phillip Gross January 22nd 2014, 4:49 am

I was always under the impression that LR had more powder than Longs. Have I been wrong all this time about that??? Say it's not so! I was wanting to save my one wrong per year for a little longer than January! What a Face
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Post by RRCmdrBennett January 22nd 2014, 8:44 am

Longs from cci are 29gr @1215fps
Mini--mag LR 40gr @1235fps

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Post by Phillip Gross January 22nd 2014, 11:48 am

So that's a fairly substantial jump in powder.

Phew! Glad I didn't hit my quota too early in the year... Wink
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Post by RRCmdrBennett January 22nd 2014, 1:30 pm

I'm watching you Philip...

Either way their fps isn't that far off. The overall length is very close to the LR.  Longs cycled well through my old Remington 597. I wonder what the differencein accuracy would be.

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Post by Claymore January 22nd 2014, 3:54 pm

The original .22 cartridge was the .22 Short invented by Smith & Wesson for their pocket revolvers in 1857.  It had a 29 grain bullet over 3 grains of black powder and generated about 44 foot/pounds of energy (although current smokeless loads can produce up to 80 foot/pounds).

The .22 Long came in 1871.  It loaded a 29 grain bullet propelled by about 5 grains of black powder and produced about 67 foot/pounds of energy.

In 1880, the .22 Extra Long was produced.  It had a 40 grain bullet propelled by 6 grains of black powder and developed about 98 foot/pounds.  It was noted for poor accuracy, and was discontinued in 1935.

In 1887, the .22 Long Rifle came about with a 40 grain bullet, with similar power, but better accuracy than the .22 Extra Long.  Current loadings for it generally use a 30 to 40 grain bullet (not including the heavy subsonic bullets) and produce between 104 and 200 foot/pounds of energy.

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