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Post by RRCmdrBennett January 25th 2014, 11:14 pm


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Post by RRCmdrBennett January 25th 2014, 11:17 pm

I don't believe so and here is why:


1 - Jesus was born of the seed of a woman by the Holy Spirit. 
2 - His real father is God
3 - We inherit our sin nature from the first Adam the biological father of the human race
4 - Eve ate first, Adam ate second, only when Adam ate were Eve's eyes open. She inherited her sin nature when Adam sinned. This would affect Cain and/or Abel if they whether or not they were born before or after the fall. 
5 - Jesus, the second Adam did not have a sin nature because he came from God the Father who is sinless
6 - Mary supplied the biological material that allowed Jesus to be our kinsman redeemer. Only biological kin (the entire human family) can be saved. 
7- Because His nature was God's nature it would be impossible to sin. God can all things except that which is contrary to His nature.
8- Side note to point #6 is why heavenly beings are excluded from salvation, they are not part of our human family. 


This may make for a good devotion if its condensed. 


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Post by arcliner July 9th 2014, 12:04 am

Will find time to read through the articles. Intriguing question, thanks for sharing!

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Post by Mark Jones July 9th 2014, 7:13 am

Just as Adam had free will and choose not to believe God I feel it was totally possible for Jesus to choose to do the same thing..but he didn't choose that way. He always did the will of the father. In the garden he asked for the cup to be taken from him. Yet he did the will of God and went to the Cross of his own free will and paid the price for our sin debt and a more than overcomming life.

Free Choice is what God wants us to have and wants us to choose Him and HIS plan. Man is always about modifiying that plan and trying to do things his own way.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett July 9th 2014, 1:03 pm

So God is not all-knowing, all-powerful, all-present, and all-temporal? There is no gamble with God. If God played casino games he would always beat the House. What you're saying is it would be possible for 1/3 if the trinity to be forever contaminated with sin? God has a Will but His Will cannot violate His nature. Thats why God did not send a lesser being such as Michael the archangel to die for sin. Michael could have failed where His Son could not have.

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Post by Mark Jones July 9th 2014, 5:08 pm

There are some things that only the Father knows. Yet I would agree God see's the end as the beginning so it was a sure bet that Jesus would do right. However I still think the free will is there.

I would never pretend to know God so well as to say it's not possible for him to have 3 personalities be omini present with everyone at the same time and not get in a argument with himself...GRIN! I have not enough understanding and most likely never will. He is God. I am just a creation of His in His likeness. There are so many things our little minds can not grasp. I am just Glad that Jesus paid it all in full and it's a done deal.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett July 9th 2014, 5:42 pm

I don't pretend to know all either. But being all in all he cannot violate his nature or he would not be God. Just like I watch a movie I've seen before the outcome will never change with the one millionth time I see it. God cannot lie and he cannot be unholy so he cannot sin. He is not schizophrenic with 3 warring personalities. As 100% man his flesh would want to avoid torture but as 100% divine he could not be overcome by his flesh. God's Grace is sufficient to overcome the flesh.

You're a stargate fan and sci fi in general. Think of the grandfather paradox. You can't kill grandpa and be alive to come back to kill grandpa. God is not linear he is self existent and is past and future. If he could sin he would not be God. Thats my two cent$.

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Post by Mark Jones July 10th 2014, 2:20 pm

Good points. When he was tested in the Dessert it would have been unnecessary if he didn't have free will and couldn't fail.

When the devil told him to cast himself down and the angels would keep it from happening..that was a lie of the devil.

While Jesus on this earth was God in Flesh he still felt the pain and the suffereing the temptations we face.

Trinity is a hard one to explain. In one way I can see it and in the other way.. I can't understand it.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett July 11th 2014, 12:52 am

Trinity is like ourselves we have this internal dialogue too.

We can be tempted but we won't do what is not in our nature either.

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Post by joecool October 3rd 2023, 10:41 am

Well. We spiritual peons have had it all wrong. Not only could Jesus "have" sinned, but He actually "did." Recently, a senior Vatican advisor sermonized that according to Matt 15:21-28, Jesus initially responded as a racist, but quickly repented.

This week, the Pope chose to increase his cardinal pool by 21 (although one is a 94-year old being honored for his lifetime of service). The rest are under 80 years old, so they can vote on critical issues. Is the Pope "packing the court" to ensure votes go his way?
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