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Re: Church Security

Post by Claymore on March 5th 2018, 11:54 pm

Last month, I was in Birmingham, attending a Church Security Update.

When the subject of only needing prayer to protect us came up, the Instructor said, "Why don't we tell women that, when they take their kids to the beach, just pray over them, and don't use any sunscreen."


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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 6th 2018, 4:26 am

Claymore wrote:Last month, I was in Birmingham, attending a Church Security Update.

When the subject of only needing prayer to protect us came up, the Instructor said, "Why don't we tell women that, when they take their kids to the beach, just pray over them, and don't use any sunscreen."


This one you can relate to. Disband the military and just pray when we get invaded. Idk why physical protection is the one thing we just pray but everything else we work to live, eat, clothe ourselves. Why don’t we just pray for manna to drop down. Its lack of faith to maintain a job and buy food.

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Post by Claymore on March 6th 2018, 2:31 pm

We have a Church Safety Policy. It refers to different levels of emergencies: Theft, Personal Injury Accidents, Tornadoes, Medical Emergencies, etc.

The portion about armed members requires (in part):

1. Have a valid Concealed Carry Permit or be an Active or Retired Law Enforcement Officer, as specified under U.S. HR218, LEOSA.

2. Be recommended and approved by the Safety Committee to be a participant in the Church Safety Program.

3. Have completed approximately 8 hours of training in Church Threats and Safety by an approved Instructor, and to include at least 30 rounds of Live-Fire.

4. Annually attend at least 4 hours of In-Service Update Training specific to Armed Church Safety and Threat Training.

5. Annually fire at least 30 rounds of live fire ammunition with a firearm of the type that the participant intends to have on Church Property. This is to be documented by a Police Officer, NRA Firearms Instructor, Safety Committee Supervisor, Range Operator, or may be participation in an approved pistol competition.

6. Read and sign the Church Safety Policy, as it applies to Firearms.

7. At any time that a person has a firearm on his person, to also have an issued orange identification tag identifying him as a "Volunteer". This is for other members and police to be able to recognize him/her as a member of the Church Safety Committee, and will be displayed by being clipped to the front of his/her clothing or by a neck lanyard at the time that it is necessary to act as a member of the Safety Committee. It is not to be brandished or displayed, until that time (may be kept in the pocket, in your bible, etc.). A sample of this identification tag shall be provided to the Police Department and Sheriff’s Department for the information of their officers.

8. No brandishing of firearms on Church Property. This does not pertain to Scheduled Training and Competition in the Fellowship Hall.

9. Documentation of Paragraphs 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6 are to be kept on file with Church Safety Paperwork and updated annually.

10. It shall be the responsibility of the individual member to insure that he maintains the requirements outlined in this policy and forwards any required documentation, in order to continue as being "Certified" by the Safety Committee.

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Post by Roguedawg on March 6th 2018, 8:04 pm

I was approached by a church member to carry a firearm during service times.  I am not sure I would do this to begin with.  I know of one person that was carrying, but I did not think the guy was not right in the head and should not be bring any firearm to the church service.  The guy was asked to leave the church a few months later so the situation is water under the bridge.

So where is the training offered?  Are these AG modules like for Rangers?

3. Have completed approximately 8 hours of training in Church Threats and Safety by an approved Instructor, and to include at least 30 rounds of Live-Fire.

4. Annually attend at least 4 hours of In-Service Update Training specific to Armed Church Safety and Threat Training.

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Post by Claymore on March 6th 2018, 9:02 pm

Roguedawg wrote:

So where is the training offered?  Are these AG modules like for Rangers?

3. Have completed approximately 8 hours of training in Church Threats and Safety by an approved Instructor, and to include at least 30 rounds of Live-Fire.

4. Annually attend at least 4 hours of In-Service Update Training specific to Armed Church Safety and Threat Training.

Our Local Police Department has an FBI certified firearms instructor, and he gives an 8 hour course in Church Security.  The morning portion is at the Police Station, and consists of training in Use of Force, Liability, Less Lethal Force, Case Law, Confrontational Continuum, Firearms Maintenance, Ammunition and Caliber Selection, etc.

The afternoon session is on the Police Range  Training is the "hot range concept", drawing and firing approximately 80 rounds of ammunition at silhouette targets from contact distance (3 feet) to 50 feet away.

This is what we recommend as the Initial Security Training, however, if a member wanted to fly to Florida, spend $800.00 and attend a course given by Full Armor Church Security, Inc, we would probably accept that, also.  

The same goes for the 4 annual hours of update training.  The Police Department offers updates (I believe that the next one in Town is for March 20 at 6:00 PM).   About a month ago, I attended Church Security Training at the State Conference in Birmingham (that would also qualify).  I am an NRA Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun, & Home Firearms Safety Instructor, and State Hunter Safety Instructor and Retired Police Firearms Instructor.  That's why I am getting the Computer Projector/Simulator System up and running.  This can also be used for Update Training for our individuals.  Additionally, the Pastor has given the "thumbs-up" for me to offer Scenario Training to members of the local Police and Sheriff's Departments.

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Post by Claymore on March 6th 2018, 11:26 pm

Roguedawg wrote:I was approached by a church member to carry a firearm during service times.  I am not sure I would do this to begin with.  I know of one person that was carrying, but I did not think the guy was not right in the head and should not be bring any firearm to the church service.  The guy was asked to leave the church a few months later so the situation is water under the bridge.


Also, remember Paragraph #2 in the Policy: "Be recommended and approved by the Safety Committee to be a participant in the Church Safety Program."

There is an entire subset of qualifications that must be met prior to being recommended by the Safety Committee: Not be a convicted felon, Not be an abuser of alcohol or drugs, Not currently be the respondent of a Court Restraining Order, Not be convicted of a crime of Domestic Violence, Have not been discharged from Military Service under Dishonorable Conditions, Have not renounced his citizenship, Have not been adjudicated to a mental institution, etc. etc.

All of this in addition to a general evaluation of an individual's stability, work-history, family-history, status & tenure in the church, and so on.

If a person is a "wackadoodle" it is highly probable that he/she would be weeded out and never be recommended to be part of the Church Safety Program.

In other words, "By Invitation Only".

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 10th 2018, 3:29 am

I wish our church took it that seriously.

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Post by Claymore on March 23rd 2018, 2:00 pm

Last night, the Police Department gave a 4-hour Church Security Update over at Freewill Baptist Church.

It was attended by the Police Chief, the Training/SWAT Lieutenant, and 52 Clergy & Security Team Members from 12 local churches.

They talked about Use of Force, Policies & Procedures, Identifying Security Team Members, Mentally Unstable Subjects, Alternative Weapons & Equipment, Criminal & Civil Liability, Pending State Legislation, and we viewed a film analyzing the 1980 Dangerfield, Texas Baptist Church mass-shooting.

Our Police Department's policy is, "The best way to stop a Bad Guy with a Gun is a Good Guy with a Gun".

A couple of our Team Members had to leave before the film was over, but I still gave them credit for the 4 hours of training.


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Post by Claymore on April 10th 2018, 11:37 am

As the "Safety Coordinator" at our Church, I have been locating the various places that we have fire extinguishers, and insuring that they are current.  They were all out-of-date, some seriously out-of-date.

After taking them to a Fire Extinguisher Business for Pressure Test & Recertification, the Rangers had a class on how to inspect fire extinguishers.  There is a 12-year disassembly & inspection, a 6-year charging & inspection, an annual inspection, and a local monthly inspection.

Then during our Outpost Meeting, I explained how the fire extinguishers are inspected, how the certification seals are attached, how to check the seals and read the pressure gauge, and how to perform a monthly inspection on the fire extinguishers.  We then went around the church, found all 8 fire extinguishers (in various places), inspected them, and initialed them.  

I informed the Church Secretary that the tags will either have my initials for the units that I checked, or "RR" for the units that the Rangers checked together as an outpost.

Also...

The Royal Rangers are probably the only people in the Church who can tell you where all 8 fire extinguishers are located.

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Post by joecool on April 10th 2018, 6:27 pm

Claymore wrote: ...the tags will either have my initials for the units that I checked, or "RR" for the units that the Rangers checked together as an outpost.

Careful, somebody's shop steward is going to file a complaint.

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Post by Claymore on April 10th 2018, 8:06 pm

joecool wrote:
Claymore wrote: ...the tags will either have my initials for the units that I checked, or "RR" for the units that the Rangers checked together as an outpost.

Careful, somebody's shop steward is going to file a complaint.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put a dirty note in my Personnel File.


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