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Re: November 2017 Thread

Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 15th 2017, 8:10 pm

If you have more resources its a bonus. If you can do it on a pocket knife you be ok.

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Post by Mark Jones on November 15th 2017, 8:37 pm

Might as well teach them more than "hey this is what a pocket knife will do" and with a few more things you can teach them 24 hours worth of coolness survival related. Get some bang for your buck and your time investment. 3 merits in the same amount of time versus one is a win win win. You will still experience a night out in the cold in a shelter you build most of it isn't cut. It's found and dragged up.

The other coolness figure4 deadfalls, traps, cooking out of tin cans hobo style and eating good because when you prove a skills raw food shows up. Freezing and no comfort can be fun if your cooking food around a campfire. Taking 45 minutes on a orienteering course that takes them past the raw materials they need water, leaves, trees, brush, game trails... much more fun that way in the same amount of time.

Just saying. Mark Jones..me want bang for buck!
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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 15th 2017, 9:06 pm

It can definitely be combined with like merits and skills. I could see a MacGuyver challenge. You put out twine, duck tape, and other misc objects and they have to figure out how to use them to survive.

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Post by ccm2361 on November 15th 2017, 9:24 pm

Phillip Gross wrote: So what's the news about RR? Any sign it'll restart at your church anytime?
Nothing new. we have gained some more kids, instead of 2 we now have 4-7......on Sunday mornings. On Wednesdays...still 2
Could restart, but I don't think it will be anytime soon. Dunno

Phillip Gross wrote: Any thoughts of moving, or at least attending RR at another church?

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Post by Phillip Gross on November 15th 2017, 10:24 pm

Actually the boys did really well with no tools. In the end, they really didn't even use a pocket knife and ended up with decent debris shelters. They weren't quite thick enough to have kept a rain storm out, but they were a good start. Part of that was that we didn't get out there as early as I had planned to because of issues. (Had to troubleshoot and fix the HVAC unit for the store before I could load up and leave. Just one of those things...)

All in all they had a good time and did really well. They all expressed a desire to do it again too.
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Post by Mark Jones on November 15th 2017, 11:37 pm

Did you get any pictures? That is a long night in those shelters with little to no comfort.
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Post by Phillip Gross on November 16th 2017, 7:06 am

Two of the three (my older sons) slept fine. They all three had debris down as cushion and they had sleeping bags as it dipped down to near freezing that night. I was very proud of the third boy that didn't sleep well (not son). It wasn't a comfort issue, but rather a fear issue that he pushed through and DID IT!! Single mother situation, so he doesn't have a father building him up other than the men of the church.

I made another round to their shelters at around 10:30 to make sure they were all ok. My two boys were fast asleep by then, but Kevin was still awake. I talked with him for a little while and told him I wasn't forcing him to do this if he didn't want to. There was tent space that he could get into if he wanted (we had DR's and RK's at that camp too so there were several tents in the main camp area while they were off in the woods about 100 yds). I told him we could do this again sometime and he could finish this requirement then if he'd rather do that. He thought about it for a bit and then resolved that he wanted to do this now. I reassured him that nothing was going to attack him. There are no bears in this area, etc. I then said well let's pray together before I leave, to which he was happy about.

Now here's the funny part. After I've assured him there's nothing going to attack him and as I'm wrapping up my prayer, I hear a rustling coming up the natural gas line cut. What can it be??? My heart jumps a bit because I've JUST told this boy nothing is out here!! Laughing I snap my headlamp on and look in the direction of the rustling sound and it's my 4 yr old who decided I'd been gone too long, so he got out of his sleeping bag and came through the woods without a flashlight to see where I was. lol.

As a side note, I do believe names are important which is why it's important for parents to seek the Lord even in that. Judah, my 4 yr old, is fearless. I have so many stories about his escapades. Laughing

In the morning, all were fine and happy. We talked about what they liked and didn't like about their structures and what they would do differently next time. Of course all them said they would make the debris thicker if they had more time in case of rain, but also they all realized that their openings were too large as well. They're looking forward to the next time.

And yes, I did get pics! Smile
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Post by Mark Jones on November 16th 2017, 7:32 am

Never done one with a sleeping bag. Just the clothes they wear and they have to carry that with them everywhere we go. We fit everything into a large fanny pack and they are to carry it all with them where ever they go. Only thing that stays at the debris hut is the gallon tin can they use to boil water with. The other one goes with them to the water source.
Each of them did get or was given.
1. small bag of jerky.
2. small bag of dried fruit.
3. knife of their choice but they quickly learned a serrated knife fixed handle was best.
4. 1 gallon old green beans can minus the beans.
5. Fish hook and lure.
6. a few pieces of duck tape.
7. Fishing line.
8. Wal-Mart floral wire.
9. 6 waterproof fire starters they made out of 3 matches and 1 sheet of toilet paper and
dipped in wax.
10. 4 tea candles
11. 2 sheets of 11x14 tin foil.
12. 1 emergency blanket. (next time we will bring 2 of these)
13. 2 zip lock 1 gallon bags.
14. No flash lights. Next year I will allow a small head lamp. (Safety sake )
15. 1 large leaf trash bag. Tougher the better.
16. One water bottle. (I had a backup in the van when someone lost theirs or someone burnt the other guys in the fire when they were not looking...boys)

That was it. I did tell them to dress in the layering system before they came. They slept in their clothes and the emergency blankets (2) of them was all they had besides the fire. Not a lot of sleep in these conditions. Most survival people sleep during the day and tend fire at night.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 16th 2017, 12:02 pm

I heard about pics but see no pics...

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Post by Phillip Gross on November 16th 2017, 3:32 pm

I'm busy. Smile Haven't had time to look at that site you guys say to use for image hosting yet.
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Post by Mark Jones on November 16th 2017, 4:51 pm

Goggle Drive. It's free up to 15 gig.. I have it hosting about 20 videos and they stream from it. Also File downloads are blazing fast. Works like a champ. If you have a google account it detected me and I didn't have to sign up for anything. Already in there.

Just do a search for google drive Takes all of 3 minutes to set up.


Phillip Gross wrote:I'm busy. Smile Haven't had time to look at that site you guys say to use for image hosting yet.
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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 17th 2017, 12:10 pm

Google drive is awesome. Just like dropbox. Local folder just drop files in there and set permissions to share. Also there is an app you can access files on smartphones, tablets, and Staples has kiosk printers you can access google drive to do prints.

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Post by Phillip Gross on November 22nd 2017, 6:31 am

Well its been a big week with hard work paying off (to some degree). Found out the business won an award and then I came home from an Elders meeting at church the other night to my family yelling "Surprise!" as I walked in the door. My wife was holding the official US government patent for my invention. It finally came in.

Now it may end up just being an expensive piece of paper, but it's something I saw through to the end. Had the idea when I was 19 on the jobsite. Played around with it for several years on and off in the workshop. Played around with trying to do the patent process on and off through the years on my own. Bought a big book about it at one point and realized it was a little out of my league. Finally bit the bullet and hired a patent attorney a couple years ago to make it happen, and now it's done. After 20 years, it's done.

It would obviously be great to sell it for millions (that's every inventor's dream, right?), but at the least, I saw it through. I had gotten to the point a couple years ago where I would rather get the patent and have it go nowhere, rather than not push it through and then see it on the shelf because someone else did, or even just always have that nagging "what if" thought in the back of my mind for the rest of my life.
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Post by Mark Jones on November 22nd 2017, 7:14 am

Ok. Now that you have the invention with a patent. What is your invention Cratucus Pots? (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang movie Inventor for all you kids).

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Post by joecool on November 22nd 2017, 11:47 am

We have a sun room that we had finished like a cabin when our house was built. No heat, no A/C. So it's too hot to use 4 months of the year, and too cold for 7 months. Bummer.

I gave up trying to find recreational property with a cabin. Just had a contractor come over and we signed him up for a wood stove installation. Now we'll be able to enjoy our quasi-cabin without driving up a rutted mountain road.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 22nd 2017, 2:30 pm

Mark Jones wrote:Ok. Now that you have the invention with a patent.  What is your invention Cratucus Pots?  (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang movie Inventor for all you kids).


Yes, we know Chitty chitty bang bang...!

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 22nd 2017, 2:32 pm

Phillip Gross wrote:Well its been a big week with hard work paying off (to some degree). Found out the business won an award and then I came home from an Elders meeting at church the other night to my family yelling "Surprise!" as I walked in the door. My wife was holding the official US government patent for my invention. It finally came in.

Now it may end up just being an expensive piece of paper, but it's something I saw through to the end. Had the idea when I was 19 on the jobsite. Played around with it for several years on and off in the workshop. Played around with trying to do the patent process on and off through the years on my own. Bought a big book about it at one point and realized it was a little out of my league. Finally bit the bullet and hired a patent attorney a couple years ago to make it happen, and now it's done. After 20 years, it's done.

It would obviously be great to sell it for millions (that's every inventor's dream, right?), but at the least, I saw it through. I had gotten to the point a couple years ago where I would rather get the patent and have it go nowhere, rather than not push it through and then see it on the shelf because someone else did, or even just always have that nagging "what if" thought in the back of my mind for the rest of my life.

Will you be on next season's Shark Tank? Maybe he will give specifics then...

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Post by joecool on November 22nd 2017, 5:06 pm

RRCmdrBennett wrote: Will you be on next season's Shark Tank?

Love Shark Tank. I have grown to appreciate Mark Cuban, but not his politics. Can't understand why he recently said, given a presidential campaign, he would run as a Republican. Economics is only one part of being a leader. He likes Hillary, which tells me he's off the charts on social issues.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 22nd 2017, 5:32 pm

joecool wrote:
RRCmdrBennett wrote: Will you be on next season's Shark Tank?

Love Shark Tank. I have grown to appreciate Mark Cuban, but not his politics. Can't understand why he recently said, given a presidential campaign, he would run as a Republican. Economics is only one part of being a leader. He likes Hillary, which tells me he's off the charts on social issues.

Cuban can be high strung.

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Post by Phillip Gross on November 22nd 2017, 10:31 pm

Mark Jones wrote:Ok. Now that you have the invention with a patent.  What is your invention Cratucus Pots?  (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang movie Inventor for all you kids).

Just an electrical product used when running conduit. No nuclear science involved. Just an improvement on an existing product. More options.
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Post by joecool on November 23rd 2017, 11:27 am

My brother went hunting for geese this morning. He saw a large flock on the ground and used a ditch to get close. Jumped up and cycled through a few shells. They didn't take off, so he gleefully reloaded. And then another hunter stood up to yell he was shooting at his decoys.

Happy Thanksgiving, guys!

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Post by Claymore on November 23rd 2017, 5:12 pm

Our church had smoked hams for a fundraiser for a family member with cancer.  Some of the men stayed at the church overnight, smoking them, so that they would be ready to pick up Thanksgiving Morning.

My wife had ordered one.  So as she was getting other things ready around the kitchen, I headed to the door at/about 9:00 AM, and said, "I'm going to go shoot a smoked ham for Thanksgiving".

And I returned about 25 minutes later, with one.

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Post by joecool on November 23rd 2017, 10:26 pm

Claymore wrote: "I'm going to go shoot a smoked ham for Thanksgiving".

From time to time, I've wanted to smoke a ham. Then I say, the jerk's not worth the effort.

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