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Post by ccm2361 on November 28th 2015, 11:21 am





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Post by RRCmdrBennett on November 28th 2015, 12:40 pm

That also applies if you label the left target "Glock" and right target "Springfield XDm"...

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Post by ccm2361 on December 1st 2015, 5:09 am

pretty sure you have that backwards

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 1st 2015, 4:04 pm

Nah but maybe it should be Glock on left and HiPoint on the right...

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Post by Claymore on December 1st 2015, 4:21 pm

RRCmdrBennett wrote: HiPoint ...


thumbs down

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 1st 2015, 6:55 pm

Claymore wrote:
RRCmdrBennett wrote: HiPoint ...


thumbs down


I knew I'd get a reaction from that!

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Post by Claymore on December 1st 2015, 8:58 pm

If you like guns made out of Zinc, you'll love HiPoint.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 2nd 2015, 2:14 am

I was joking though. No one speaks good of them. Is their carbines any different than the handguns?

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Post by Claymore on December 2nd 2015, 3:21 am

They do not have much finesse, and I think that they are also made of cast Pot Metal.

Definitely not Milspec.

.....................maybe Plinkspec.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 2nd 2015, 11:14 am

Keeping us on track whats your opinion in the caliber wars?

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Post by Claymore on December 2nd 2015, 3:20 pm

Well, I wouldn't WANT to get hit by either.

They are both capable rounds.  In a Perfect World, a full 1911-Sized .45 is just hard to top, insofar as stopping power is concerned.

But other sizes have advantages - but they start to take away from the Perfect World .45 ACP cartridge.

A 9mm can give you a lighter pistol that may be easier to conceal, that may be easier to control, that may hold more ammunition - but you give up the full power, and a .452" hole vs a .356" hole, and the dwell time of a .45 round.

At the Special Forces Weapons Course, we fired rifles, pistols, machineguns, and antitank weapons from the U.S., China, Germany, Italy, Czechoslovakia, Sweden, Canada, England, the Soviet Union, and a few more that I have forgotten about, due to Chronological Decay .  

We were still in the Vietnam Era, and so we thought of our mission as likely to take place in Asian or African jungles.  Someone asked me which of these weapons I would want to use.  I said, "The 11.5-pound Thompson Submachinegun, if I had a Porter to carry the gun and ammunition for me".

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 2nd 2015, 7:13 pm

Some in civilian world forget the Army uses fmj .45acp instead of hollow point. A lot of what I read is handgun stopping power is a myth.

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Post by Claymore on December 2nd 2015, 10:08 pm

http://www.historicalfirearms.info/post/45916511719/the-thompson-lagarde-tests-following-the

Study conducted under Colonel John T. Thompson (Inventor of the Thompson Submachinegun) and Major/Doctor Louis Anatole LaGarde

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Post by ccm2361 on December 3rd 2015, 8:27 pm

RRCmdrBennett wrote:A lot of what I read is handgun stopping power is a myth.

Some folks think (insert your favorite handgun here) is a almost a guaranteed death ray & then others think anything below .40 caliber can't even kill someone.  Suspect

personally, I love to hear the latter one.  I enjoy disabusing them of that notion.... Slap

my brother in law died of gunshot wound in 1992...1 shot from a tiny Beretta .25acp, right through the heart. dead before he hit the floor.



(please pardon my cavalier attitude-but my brother law was not a good guy. drug user & alcoholic.  a mean drunk at that-at the time of his death, he was engaged in beating a much older relative half to death over a $20 debt that was not repaid as fast as he thought it should be)

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Post by Claymore on December 3rd 2015, 10:09 pm

I'm not offended.

My personal experience was that, for my first five years, I was a cop doing Patrol and General Investigations.  You wind up kind-of keeping track of how many of names of your known "customers" are read-off in Roll Call of having died (gunshot, knifing, beating, run over by a train:really).

Then I went to the Drug Unit and continued to somewhat keep track.  It wound up that I was recognizing about 4 to 5 times as many of our "customers" whose deaths were reported (all of the above paragraph, plus drug overdoses and deaths in drug robberies).

So the moral of the story:

Persons in the Drug Culture are not 4 to 5 times as likely to die as normal citizens.

Persons in the Drug Culture ARE 4 to 5 times as likely to die as common dirtball criminals.

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RRCmdrBennett wrote:A lot of what I read is handgun stopping power is a myth.

Some folks think (insert your favorite handgun here) is a almost a guaranteed death ray & then others think anything below .40 caliber can't even kill someone.  Suspect

personally, I love to hear the latter one.  I enjoy disabusing them of that notion.... Slap

my brother in law died of gunshot wound in 1992...1 shot from a tiny Beretta .25acp, right through the heart. dead before he hit the floor.



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I didn't mean that to say handguns can't stop at any caliber but agree with you Chris on people are lame who think there is ever a one shot kill based on larger sizes. Shot placement is critical even unintentional as it was.

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