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Post by joecool on April 14th 2014, 3:02 pm

My JB-era LMA classes were in '82. I think we spent 4 evenings for each of the 5 courses, and also had a weekend campout. We had pre-session homework to do for each evening. No fluff or power point. And real-life, rubber-hits-the-road experiences were shared.

I can't even decipher all the training acronyms now. What's OLAL?  scratch Ooh-la-la?

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on April 14th 2014, 3:14 pm

Outpost Leaders Advancement Levels

If you add the campout and NTC you get more hours. Power point is a tool but it went overboard in Marriott but in Marsh it has declined dramatically.  In either setup experiences were shared. You're right on about homework but it wasn't that hard to do. Finding guys with 6 sats off in 6 months is harder nowadays. 

Don't get me wrong there's good and bad in both training systems. The college level difficulty comes in when one does the org leaders track to Platinum  thats a very short list of leaders who will do that.

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Post by joecool on April 14th 2014, 3:30 pm

RRCmdrBennett wrote: org leaders track to Platinum

Never heard of that. Starting to sound like a credit card, and probably just as expensive.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on April 14th 2014, 3:33 pm

Mark Jones wrote:Yes. It was a bad experience.  QLC.  It turned out to be a smoke screen.  

After I think it all through.... I liked the JB program the best. It's was all about RTK and merits and advancements were ok..just not the feature of the program.  Yup I liked the JB system.  A whole lot less work and a whole lot more fun.  We were known for something and good at it.  In my opinion we were the top discipleship program.  Not so today for sure.

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Basically it was a line of communication to hear ideas they wanted to hear. Anything else was discarded, vilified, or marginalized. They didn't want to hear truth only what they're itching ears wanted to hear. 

When the leaders guides came into existence that really put the focus on merits, patches, and dozens of adv levels. Every boy a GMA by 8th grade and then give them over to youth. I'd keep the merit reference guides and complete the silvers.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on April 14th 2014, 3:45 pm

joecool wrote:
RRCmdrBennett wrote: org leaders track to Platinum

Never heard of that. Starting to sound like a credit card, and probably just as expensive.

Its all on the national website. 

OLAL Contains Ready, Safety, Trained, and Advanced levels. If a leaders mentors a boy through to any top medal in a group he attains Medal of Excellence. MOE for short is the new LMA. For those of us who did Marriott's LMA or transitioned to it there was a transition to Advanced level for a limited time. Ranger Basics, FA/CPR, NTC/RKTC, and WCO was credited to you in the new system if done previously. Only new module.I needed was Essentials. 

OLT short for Organizational Leaders Track goes from Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Overall the Platinum will cost $1500 in Berean classes not counting cost of the leadership conferences you must attend by non church organizations. To begin OLT one must be Advanced level in OLAL. For me I said No-way. Current ministers would have no issue with classes cause they've taken them prior.

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Post by joecool on April 14th 2014, 4:20 pm

RRCmdrBennett wrote: cost $1500 in Berean classes

So what we have here is a biiiig corporation, with all the subsidiaries scratching each other's backs? (GPH, Global U, RR...)

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on April 14th 2014, 9:26 pm

Yep, you got it Senor'...

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Post by Mark Jones on April 15th 2014, 5:31 pm

The merit reference guides are a keeper. Great info in them. The writing needs to be removed to a hands on lesson.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on April 15th 2014, 10:18 pm

That was done years ago with "Making Merits Interactive". It would take a long time to go through and edit it out of the guides.

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