Search
 
 

Display results as :
 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Keywords

Latest topics
» Ranger Comeback?
by ccm2361 Today at 7:54 pm

» Toughening Teens
by ccm2361 Today at 7:46 pm

» Family Matters
by RRCmdrBennett September 22nd 2017, 5:28 am

» September 2017 Thread
by Canadarangers September 20th 2017, 11:59 pm

» Gold Dust and Feathers
by RRCmdrBennett September 19th 2017, 4:15 am

» August 2017
by RRCmdrBennett September 4th 2017, 12:46 am

» Culture Rot
by RRCmdrBennett September 3rd 2017, 4:14 pm

» T-Shirt Chuckles
by joecool August 26th 2017, 10:09 pm

» Back to Sea
by Claymore August 25th 2017, 10:05 pm

Statistics
We have 84 registered users
The newest registered user is siletz

Our users have posted a total of 13037 messages in 696 subjects

Could Jesus have sinned?

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by RRCmdrBennett on January 25th 2014, 11:14 pm

1. http://carm.org/could-jesus-sin


2. http://www.gotquestions.org/could-Jesus-have-sinned.html

_________________
Dan Bennett
Sr Commander (2007-2016)
N Central Area Communications Coord, CI (2016)
RR Outpost #215, Ohio District :flag:
RR GMA #83 Potomac Dist-#2366 Nat'l

"Be Ready, It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark."

fire FCF Frontiersman 9/91 fire
Free Trapper 2016
Training Seminars/Camps:
LTC LMA 5/94, Ranger Basics 1/05, LTA LMA 5/05, NTC IL 5/09, WCO 10/09, ICS 4/10, RKTC 7/10, Ranger Essentials 8/10, NRMC 10/11,
Outpost Leader Advancement Levels:
LMA-Advanced 10/11, MoE 2012-092

RR v1.99

avatar
RRCmdrBennett
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 3278
Join date : 2013-05-15
Age : 41
Location : Ohio

Back to top Go down

Re: Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by RRCmdrBennett on January 25th 2014, 11:17 pm

I don't believe so and here is why:


1 - Jesus was born of the seed of a woman by the Holy Spirit. 
2 - His real father is God
3 - We inherit our sin nature from the first Adam the biological father of the human race
4 - Eve ate first, Adam ate second, only when Adam ate were Eve's eyes open. She inherited her sin nature when Adam sinned. This would affect Cain and/or Abel if they whether or not they were born before or after the fall. 
5 - Jesus, the second Adam did not have a sin nature because he came from God the Father who is sinless
6 - Mary supplied the biological material that allowed Jesus to be our kinsman redeemer. Only biological kin (the entire human family) can be saved. 
7- Because His nature was God's nature it would be impossible to sin. God can all things except that which is contrary to His nature.
8- Side note to point #6 is why heavenly beings are excluded from salvation, they are not part of our human family. 


This may make for a good devotion if its condensed. 

1. http://carm.org/could-jesus-sin


2. http://www.gotquestions.org/could-Jesus-have-sinned.html

_________________
Dan Bennett
Sr Commander (2007-2016)
N Central Area Communications Coord, CI (2016)
RR Outpost #215, Ohio District :flag:
RR GMA #83 Potomac Dist-#2366 Nat'l

"Be Ready, It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark."

fire FCF Frontiersman 9/91 fire
Free Trapper 2016
Training Seminars/Camps:
LTC LMA 5/94, Ranger Basics 1/05, LTA LMA 5/05, NTC IL 5/09, WCO 10/09, ICS 4/10, RKTC 7/10, Ranger Essentials 8/10, NRMC 10/11,
Outpost Leader Advancement Levels:
LMA-Advanced 10/11, MoE 2012-092

RR v1.99

avatar
RRCmdrBennett
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 3278
Join date : 2013-05-15
Age : 41
Location : Ohio

Back to top Go down

Re: Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by arcliner on July 9th 2014, 12:04 am

Will find time to read through the articles. Intriguing question, thanks for sharing!

_________________
Bernard
ER Commander
RR Outpost #11, Singapore
Regional Staff (Expedition Leadership Camp Coordinator [equivalent to JTC])

Training Seminars/Camps:
LMA, JBEML, Ranger Basics, NTC, ANTC, WCO, National Academy, YLA (equivalent to JLTA).
avatar
arcliner
Active Member
Active Member

Posts : 117
Join date : 2013-07-09
Age : 31
Location : Singapore

Back to top Go down

Re: Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by Mark Jones on July 9th 2014, 7:13 am

Just as Adam had free will and choose not to believe God I feel it was totally possible for Jesus to choose to do the same thing..but he didn't choose that way. He always did the will of the father. In the garden he asked for the cup to be taken from him. Yet he did the will of God and went to the Cross of his own free will and paid the price for our sin debt and a more than overcomming life.

Free Choice is what God wants us to have and wants us to choose Him and HIS plan. Man is always about modifiying that plan and trying to do things his own way.

Mark Jones
avatar
Mark Jones
Special Member
Special Member

Posts : 1536
Join date : 2013-05-16
Age : 58
Location : Springfield Missouri

http://readyrangers.tzo.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by RRCmdrBennett on July 9th 2014, 1:03 pm

So God is not all-knowing, all-powerful, all-present, and all-temporal? There is no gamble with God. If God played casino games he would always beat the House. What you're saying is it would be possible for 1/3 if the trinity to be forever contaminated with sin? God has a Will but His Will cannot violate His nature. Thats why God did not send a lesser being such as Michael the archangel to die for sin. Michael could have failed where His Son could not have.

_________________
Dan Bennett
Sr Commander (2007-2016)
N Central Area Communications Coord, CI (2016)
RR Outpost #215, Ohio District :flag:
RR GMA #83 Potomac Dist-#2366 Nat'l

"Be Ready, It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark."

fire FCF Frontiersman 9/91 fire
Free Trapper 2016
Training Seminars/Camps:
LTC LMA 5/94, Ranger Basics 1/05, LTA LMA 5/05, NTC IL 5/09, WCO 10/09, ICS 4/10, RKTC 7/10, Ranger Essentials 8/10, NRMC 10/11,
Outpost Leader Advancement Levels:
LMA-Advanced 10/11, MoE 2012-092

RR v1.99

avatar
RRCmdrBennett
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 3278
Join date : 2013-05-15
Age : 41
Location : Ohio

Back to top Go down

Re: Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by Mark Jones on July 9th 2014, 5:08 pm

There are some things that only the Father knows. Yet I would agree God see's the end as the beginning so it was a sure bet that Jesus would do right. However I still think the free will is there.

I would never pretend to know God so well as to say it's not possible for him to have 3 personalities be omini present with everyone at the same time and not get in a argument with himself...GRIN! I have not enough understanding and most likely never will. He is God. I am just a creation of His in His likeness. There are so many things our little minds can not grasp. I am just Glad that Jesus paid it all in full and it's a done deal.

Mark Jones
avatar
Mark Jones
Special Member
Special Member

Posts : 1536
Join date : 2013-05-16
Age : 58
Location : Springfield Missouri

http://readyrangers.tzo.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by RRCmdrBennett on July 9th 2014, 5:42 pm

I don't pretend to know all either. But being all in all he cannot violate his nature or he would not be God. Just like I watch a movie I've seen before the outcome will never change with the one millionth time I see it. God cannot lie and he cannot be unholy so he cannot sin. He is not schizophrenic with 3 warring personalities. As 100% man his flesh would want to avoid torture but as 100% divine he could not be overcome by his flesh. God's Grace is sufficient to overcome the flesh.

You're a stargate fan and sci fi in general. Think of the grandfather paradox. You can't kill grandpa and be alive to come back to kill grandpa. God is not linear he is self existent and is past and future. If he could sin he would not be God. Thats my two cent$.

_________________
Dan Bennett
Sr Commander (2007-2016)
N Central Area Communications Coord, CI (2016)
RR Outpost #215, Ohio District :flag:
RR GMA #83 Potomac Dist-#2366 Nat'l

"Be Ready, It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark."

fire FCF Frontiersman 9/91 fire
Free Trapper 2016
Training Seminars/Camps:
LTC LMA 5/94, Ranger Basics 1/05, LTA LMA 5/05, NTC IL 5/09, WCO 10/09, ICS 4/10, RKTC 7/10, Ranger Essentials 8/10, NRMC 10/11,
Outpost Leader Advancement Levels:
LMA-Advanced 10/11, MoE 2012-092

RR v1.99

avatar
RRCmdrBennett
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 3278
Join date : 2013-05-15
Age : 41
Location : Ohio

Back to top Go down

Re: Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by Mark Jones on July 10th 2014, 2:20 pm

Good points. When he was tested in the Dessert it would have been unnecessary if he didn't have free will and couldn't fail.

When the devil told him to cast himself down and the angels would keep it from happening..that was a lie of the devil.

While Jesus on this earth was God in Flesh he still felt the pain and the suffereing the temptations we face.

Trinity is a hard one to explain. In one way I can see it and in the other way.. I can't understand it.

Mark Jones
avatar
Mark Jones
Special Member
Special Member

Posts : 1536
Join date : 2013-05-16
Age : 58
Location : Springfield Missouri

http://readyrangers.tzo.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by RRCmdrBennett on July 11th 2014, 12:52 am

Trinity is like ourselves we have this internal dialogue too.

We can be tempted but we won't do what is not in our nature either.

_________________
Dan Bennett
Sr Commander (2007-2016)
N Central Area Communications Coord, CI (2016)
RR Outpost #215, Ohio District :flag:
RR GMA #83 Potomac Dist-#2366 Nat'l

"Be Ready, It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark."

fire FCF Frontiersman 9/91 fire
Free Trapper 2016
Training Seminars/Camps:
LTC LMA 5/94, Ranger Basics 1/05, LTA LMA 5/05, NTC IL 5/09, WCO 10/09, ICS 4/10, RKTC 7/10, Ranger Essentials 8/10, NRMC 10/11,
Outpost Leader Advancement Levels:
LMA-Advanced 10/11, MoE 2012-092

RR v1.99

avatar
RRCmdrBennett
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 3278
Join date : 2013-05-15
Age : 41
Location : Ohio

Back to top Go down

Re: Could Jesus have sinned?

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum