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Re: LEAD conference 2014

Post by joecool on March 31st 2014, 9:55 pm

Mark Jones wrote: I told Rick I was tired of these guys trying to fly this air plane into the ground with their new and improved ideas...I am sick of it.

Four forces act on an airplane:
1) gravity - a permanent, consistent force that pulls down
2) lift - a permanent, consistent force that pushes up, IF there's enough thrust
3) thrust - power from the engine that pulls the plane forward
4) drag - forces, like friction and wind resistance, that hold a plane back (engineers always work to reduce it)

You lose lift when the thrust is reduced too much or the drag mightily increases, resulting in a stall (not enough airflow over the wings). The plane then begins to fall uncontrollably. An inexperienced pilot reacts by pulling on the yoke in an effort to get the plane's nose up. It doesn't work. The plane crashes. The only way to recover from a stall is to increase the thrust. For a moment, you're speeding up your dive to earth, but the resulting airflow produces more lift and a crash is averted.

In my opinion, national is vainly pulling on the yoke, hoping that the nose comes up. But with lift that we accept from the Trinity, we start making the right choices and are able to increase thrust. As we gain a little altitude, we start working on all the little things that drag/hold us back. (Did any of that make any sense?)

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Post by Claymore on March 31st 2014, 10:12 pm

Great Analogy, but I would add that, besides keeping the yoke back, they're monkeying with the Trim Tab, Working with the Fuel Mixture, Adjusting the Pressure Setting on the Altimeter......doing everything, except what it would take to get them out of the situation.

Oh Well. I hope that the batteries in the ELT are good.

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Post by Phillip Gross on March 31st 2014, 10:15 pm

I like the analogy, but whats the answer here? What would give more thrust?
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Post by strods on March 31st 2014, 10:28 pm

My best suggestion would be as I have said before. Correct the problems as you can in your Outpost. I don't think God appoints people to be 'yes men'. He's put us in place to do His work, and I believe he gives us the pleasure of leaving our fingerprints on it. National keeps saying they want to offer flexibility. Great, flex your OP to be the best Camping program you can. And when you are still around and the sports teams, and the other concepts fail. and ask what do you do different, have a chat with them about a crazy old camping program

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Post by Claymore on April 1st 2014, 12:14 am

Phillip Gross wrote:I like the analogy, but whats the answer here? What would give more thrust?

You have to do what you are afraid to do.  Do what works.  Drop the Nose, and Airspeed will increase, and lift will be restored to the wings.

(By the way, I'm a First-Hand example of this.  I had to retire from Law Enforcement, because I had a Student with me in a Light-Sport Trainer, we were having trouble climbing out on a High Density-Altitude Day, and he panicked & yanked back on the Yoke, putting us into a Pancake Stall from 200 feet AGL.) 

(No time to recover from the Stall.  I broke 3 Vertebrae, and spent the next 6 months in Convalescence.  That also put an end to my Career of Kicking in Doors and Fighting with Drunks.)

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on April 1st 2014, 2:10 am

Claymore, do you miss those good ole days of fighting with drunks and kicking in doors?

Joecool, great analogy. 

Strods, you're right keep doing what works and when others ask why your cup is overflowing say well my faith is in Jesus and what he has called me to do and that is to connect boys and sometimes girls to his creation. In His creation God reveals Himself. Sports, trades, drama/arts, and technology have one thing in common: they are man-made. Surviving in the outdoors is where God created us and placed us in a garden. Its our natural environment. Study nature and it will reveal a different characteristic or trait of God. Endless devotions can be derived from an old camping program nobody wants to do...

Philip, I've had words with a fellow staffer that disagrees with a lot of the changes. Chris Basham has expressed some of his issues. There are lifers out there that disagree but keep doing what they know works.

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Post by Claymore on April 1st 2014, 2:40 am

RRCmdrBennett wrote:Claymore, do you miss those good ole days of fighting with drunks and kicking in doors?

YEAHHH!

Where else could you Carry a Gun, Buy Dope, Kick in Doors, Drive Fast, and Not Go to Jail???

(Actually, I did "Go to Jail" quite a lot, but it was only to check in a Customer.)

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Post by joecool on April 1st 2014, 10:00 am

Phillip Gross wrote:I like the analogy, but whats the answer here? What would give more thrust?

1) Unfortunately, in this analogy national seems to be the gravity. That can change, but we don't have any control over it.
2) Strods said "Correct the problems as you can in your outpost." That's engineering/reducing the drag. That's something within our ability to control.
3) The lift (Trinity) is always there. We just have to know how to tap into it, and put it to use to make our thrust effective.
4) Simply put, thrust is anointed reaching, teaching and keeping. I've seen a lot of anointing on this website. It's helped me.

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Post by Phillip Gross on April 1st 2014, 10:48 am

joecool wrote:

1) Unfortunately, in this analogy national seems to be the gravity. That can change, but we don't have any control over it.
With all due respect, I have to disagree with this point. Gravity is the enemy that we're trying to rise above. The ruler of this world. National may be either an inexperienced, or less than competent pilot, but not gravity. I can't believe that they're intentionally trying to pull the plane down. Making some wrong calls? Maybe, but I can't believe that it's intentional. If it were, I would have to leave the program and start something else.
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Post by joecool on April 1st 2014, 11:09 am

Then they're drag. And they need to accept someone from outside their engineering team. Someone they know and respect. A retired, national-level commander?

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Post by Phillip Gross on April 1st 2014, 11:16 am

I agree that there should probably be a change of command. How long has this captain been at the helm?
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Post by joecool on April 1st 2014, 2:33 pm

Hmmm. I'm going to have to pace myself on postings. I don't want to hit the 1000 threshold and be labeled a "spammer".

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Post by Claymore on April 1st 2014, 3:07 pm

I wonder if Chris may have set that distinction aside especially for Phillip Dunno 

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Post by joecool on April 1st 2014, 3:34 pm

Phillip Gross wrote:I agree that there should probably be a change of command. How long has this captain been at the helm?

Not saying that it's time for Doug to go. He has a passion for Rangers and a desire to see it grow to where it once was and beyond. Sometimes, though, you have to look up from the speedometer to the windshield and realize that you've just been going around in circles. Slow down, conserve the gas, get the road map out and work it out. (And no, I don't like GPS and the little voice that gives directions.)

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Post by Phillip Gross on April 1st 2014, 5:00 pm

I don't like to follow GPS either. I think it makes people dumber... Better to use a real map and figure it out. You'll know the route better for the next time.

Kind of like our faith. Always better to go back to the "map" for ourselves than to hear someone else spoon feed the information to us. You'll remember it better the next time you go down that road...



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Post by RRCmdrBennett on April 1st 2014, 11:50 pm

I used GPS for camporama, brought a map, and printed directions. I never had to use map or printed directions. The GPS got me there accurately. When we have a problem we need to have the old skills too. At least in my heap GPS it can allow you to review each turn by turn direction with a printed map in hand. 

We could ditch store bought matches, silva compasses, and centerfire rifles and only use more primitive means. Maps need to be updated too. Some people haven't replaced th in years.

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Post by Mark Jones on April 2nd 2014, 4:01 pm

I use GPS every day and many times a day. Saves me lots of lost time getting from point a to point b.

Rarely is wrong anymore. Yet sometimes it's as off as the man in the moon at least once a week it is.

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Post by strods on April 6th 2014, 2:30 pm

Talked to my co-coord today. It's official. #35 Rangers will earn Cmdr approval my completing the Trail of the Grizzly

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Post by Mark Jones on April 7th 2014, 4:31 pm


Did I hear you right 35 new FCF applicants from your outpost?


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Post by Mark Jones on April 29th 2014, 1:50 pm

Strouds how in the world did you get those 35 ready for FCF? IF we can get 4 or 5 ready each year I thought we was doing great!

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Post by strods on April 29th 2014, 3:23 pm

I wish, Outpost #35 applicants. We average about 2 a year

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Post by Claymore on April 29th 2014, 4:10 pm

As Obama would say, "I'm sorry, if you misheard what I spoke".

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Post by Mark Jones on April 29th 2014, 4:54 pm

Grin. I thought WOW! I never heard of such a thing. I knowed that I knowed I heard wrong. GRIN!

I knew Strouds was getting his op35 group more into FCF but I didnt' connect the #35 with OP35 grin!

So.... Yup I was wrong again! Ha!

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Post by strods on April 29th 2014, 5:36 pm

if that is the worst thing that happens today...

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Post by Mark Jones on May 27th 2014, 6:18 pm

Well. It's good news coming out of National. One really main thing is a missionary is going back to his mission field and leaving us campers in our own mission field. GRIN!

Things can only go up from here. I hope and pray so. If man gets in the middle of it..it could go the other way. They need a spiritfilled Holy Ghost fired lightning shot to hit the AG leadership. If God gets His way we will once again grow.

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