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Post by Phillip Gross on December 26th 2013, 4:09 pm

I've got a friend who went through all the red tape and got a suppressor permit. I always thought it was cool, but didn't know if I'd ever go through the headache. You're REALLY on the ATF watch list with these! However, I've been toying around for the last year or two with getting into coyote hunting. They're ravaging our dear population and it's good to help hone your hunting skills as coyotes are very wary. 

Now that I have a proper varmint gun.... GRIN.... (Mark Jones style) I think I might try to get into it. And as far as I can tell it isn't illegal to hunt with a suppressor in SC as long as the suppressor is in fact registered. 

Also thinking about getting some NV goggles or scope if I can at some point. Then I'd be set up right for coyote night hunting! 

Do suppressors affect the accuracy of a firearm at all?
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Post by ccm2361 on December 26th 2013, 7:59 pm

Not sure about accuracy...but
Suppressors do affect Range  (they shorten it considerably)

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Post by Phillip Gross on December 26th 2013, 8:49 pm

I wonder why that is....
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Post by Claymore on December 26th 2013, 9:37 pm

I have never known of supressors to enhance accuracy, and they can diminish it.

If the gas does not perfectly follow a bullet out the barrel, it can "tip" the bullet with the effect of a jet of gas coming out unevenly (that's why a chipped barrel would need to be recrowned).

Many supressors use "wipes". They are a series of baffles that look like Teflon washers. They must be the same size as the bullet or a tiny bit smaller in order to make a seal with the bullet and keep the gasses in the expansion chamber of the supressor.

I don't think that anything slapping against the bullet will enhance accuracy. If the wipes aren't perfectly centered, any deviation in how the bullet comes into contact with them can affect bullet stability.

Then take into account, what we just noted about uneven gas pressure, if one (or more) of the wipes starts to erode unevenly, and so the bullet is going through a non-concentric ring while there is still gas pressure behind it.

By the way, those "wipes" need to be replaced on a regular basis. How often depends on the caliber, velocity, and pressure.

Some supressors use "baffles". These do not come onto contact with the bullet, but are similar to the chambers of a muffler. Again, if the bullet is not going through these almost perfect concentrically, you may get unpleasant surprises in the size of your shot groups.

http://www.thebangswitch.com/sound-suppressors-wipes-dry-and-wet/

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Post by Phillip Gross on December 26th 2013, 11:50 pm

Good link, thank you. I wasn't aware of the suppressors utilizing wipes. I've always just seen the baffled type. I haven't seen that many either though!
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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 27th 2013, 12:55 am

I contacted Claymore a short time ago to discuss getting a suppressor from the guy that sold me some ammo, two metal mags, and AR-15 dvd from 1997. He gave me a book on the suppressor but I declined to buy the suppressor. The same rules for obtaining a machine-gun permit you need for a suppressor. Besides a $200 tax stamp you will be giving up your 4th amendment rights (not like lately we have that right...) the atf can waltz in anytime and inspect your home. NSA will undoubtedly be watching everything you do closely. We joke they watch us all and in general I believe they do but they will have you under their cross hairs. You will be the first on their list to be neutralized if an SHTF scenario occurs. Its not worth it in order to pop some coyotes.

I would use calls, recordings of chickens clacking, etc to draw them out. I have seen several predator hunting videos on the outdoor channel of guys using
AR-15's its a very good gun for that purpose. Google "predator university". Check into getting some traps for coyotes you can check often if trapping is legal in SC.

My father inlaw and I have been getting into predator hunting to help the deer population for deer season. He told me he read that best time to hunt coyote is in Feb when their mating season is on.

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Post by Phillip Gross on December 27th 2013, 9:04 am

Yes, I new about the ATF being able to come anytime. I've been thinking of alternative storage regardless of what I do though. Definitely not the easiest of decisions in this day and age. It's as if you have to decide how prominent you're willing to be. Sometimes I have the thought of trying to stay under the radar, but between having the guns I own, a CWP, and everything I post on forums and fb, I'm far from buried under the radar. I'm sure I'm on some list somewhere. Just depends how high up the lost you want to go I guess...
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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 27th 2013, 10:02 am

I prefer to stay much lower on the list it'll take longer for them to get to me.

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Post by Phillip Gross on December 27th 2013, 12:39 pm

That's a mentality that I had for awhile. Then I heard a lady call in to the Rush Limbaugh show and was tired of feeling scared and wanting to hide from a tyrannical government. She had crossed over to defiance and wasn't going to live in fear anymore. That caller inspired me to stand up like our forefathers and say, "Come and take it!!"

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 28th 2013, 12:59 am

I'm definitely not keeping silent on my views. I try to keep others informed and get people thinking rather than just following the leader. I still rather not intentionally put myself high on their list for a suppressor. Besides, with the tax stamp, maintenance, and cost of a suppressor its beyond my budget. I'd rather stock up on more food and ammo.

I think its fine if you want to go for it.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 30th 2013, 2:12 am

If you get a tax stamp you can get a cheap silencer if you don't have a lot of money.

 

Claymore, do you have a silencer permit? If you have a permit for silencers do you need a separate one for a full auto or does the same permit cover both?

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Post by Phillip Gross on December 30th 2013, 8:15 am

From what I understand, the permit is for a specific suppressor serial number. I don't think one permit allows you to have any suppressor you want. In fact, I don't think a suppressor is legal at all without a serial number.
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Post by Claymore on December 30th 2013, 1:14 pm

No, I do not have any Class III or NFA Weapons. I got to play with plenty in the Military & Police Departments.

Phillip is correct. The Permit is for one particular Suppressor Body (like a Machine-Gun Stamp is for a particular receiver).

If you have a Full-Auto Firearm or a Short-Barreled Rifle in addition to a suppressor, you also need a stamp for it.

The only "Twofor" is if you have a Machinegun with a Short Barrel. That is covered under one permit.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 30th 2013, 1:25 pm

Since the video mentions a store in Ohio selling the screw on silencer wouldn't that already have the serial # on it? I assume it would be registered when you bought it.

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Post by Claymore on December 30th 2013, 1:33 pm

It is "Recorded" with the dealer, but the buyer has to pay the tax, have the background check, and do the "Registration", before he can take possession of it.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 31st 2013, 10:14 pm

Claymore wrote:It is "Recorded" with the dealer, but the buyer has to pay the tax, have the background check, and do the "Registration", before he can take possession of it.

I believe that means the piece that screws onto the end of the barrel in the video counts as the registered silencer and has a serial #?  

Were silencers regulated at about the same time full autos were too?  Were silencers being used in a lot of crimes?

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Post by Claymore on December 31st 2013, 10:36 pm

It was the National Firearms Act of 1934 that pretty-much lumped machineguns, silencers, short-barreled rifles & shotguns, etc together and required that they be specially registered & taxed.

Generally, it is the "body" of the suppressor that is registered.  In the case of the Oil Filter model, that is not practical, so the adapter is the registered item.

There may have been a few "gang hits" done with suppressors, but not enough to matter (a knife is even more quiet).

I think that a big part is that suppressors were considered "poachers' tools", and so were lumped in as being "non-sporting".  Crossbows were thought of in the same way, and so were banned from hunting, or even illegal to possess in some areas.

Apparently, crossbows are still illegal in Oregon (bunch of Hippies).

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on December 31st 2013, 10:58 pm

MD outlawed crossbows until March 2010. Before that you needed a handicap permit to use one for hunting. You know how they think if crossbows are legal we'll have a bunch people running around like Indians in the old wild wild west.

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