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Post by RRCmdrBennett on February 25th 2014, 11:45 pm

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Post by Claymore on February 26th 2014, 12:04 am

As he said: Two magazine springs from the same company. One has been used thousands of times; one is brand new. There is about 1/4 inch difference in the relaxed length of the springs.

Why would you stretch them? Just to ruin the Temper?

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on February 26th 2014, 12:27 am

I think thats his point like you said I shouldn't have stretched them, even a little.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on February 28th 2014, 11:16 pm

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/27/california-attorney-general-tries-overturn-gun-car/

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 3rd 2014, 4:43 pm

Tested my two mags that were stretched with full load of 19 rounds each and they cycled fine with no FTL, FTE, double feeds, or jams. I'll use these as range mags till the springs are replaced. 

I did 39 rounds practice with my original extended mag and scored a 158/195 which is 81% accuracy. 

I renewed my NRA membership and signed up my sister and her husband for the special $20 referral price.

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Post by Phillip Gross on March 3rd 2014, 8:59 pm

You should take the mags with the stretched springs to the range and never replace the springs until they fail. Do a long term test to see what you come up with.
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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 3rd 2014, 9:35 pm

I might do that. I can track shots fired from each mag and tally them over time. I may get 2 more extended mags for regular use. My XDm "luggage" case can hold 4 extended mags if you move the compact mag into the paddle holster foam cut-out.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 3rd 2014, 9:44 pm

Btw, I got my order today from Midway. I ordered a Pmag 5.56mm, pierce extended base plate for the compact XDm mag, and replacement screws and sling swivel hook for the one I put on my AR-15. 

Found out today the NRA says I don't have to pay to do his ccw class. I can audit for free and get range time. 

With the $45 I would have spent Mar 15 I can apply it to  the Utah ccw class I want to take in April. Total for Utah class is $60 for 4 hrs but no need for range time because of my Ohio permit covers that. It'll give me reciprocity in 37 states including PA where my dad lives.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 4th 2014, 1:11 am

I just installed my grip extension onto the base of the compact mag and I love it. I may start using the compact mag for general carry. Fourteen rounds is plenty and I still feel politically incorrect  bang

New Pmag has some improvements. Comes with a dust/impact cover, texture on the front/back sides, at around $14 an excellent buy. Most of the other off brand mags are $20+.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 4th 2014, 11:52 pm

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 15th 2014, 11:16 pm

The ccw instructor from the NRA said he only cleans his Glocks once a year. He said you can tell when to clean them by removig the slide and pressing a button near the striker and shaking it to hear the firing pin move. If you don't hear it move it needs cleaned. Would you agree with his method?  

I've always been a clean the guns right away type after shooting. This week my gun was borrowed and will be again Tues so I've delayed cleaning my gun again so soon.

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Post by Claymore on March 16th 2014, 12:15 am

It depends. A Glock is kind-of like a hammer: pretty hard to screw it up.

But there are a couple of common-sense things to consider. When you clean your firearm, you are removing dirt/carbon and replacing it with corrosion inhibitor and slippery stuff.

When you shoot many rounds, you are replacing or diluting the corrosion inhibitor and slippery stuff with powder residue. Powder residue is not a good lubricant, and it can attract and hold moisture. This can cause corrosion.

Now Glocks have a coating on their parts that offers pretty good corrosion resistance, some parts are stainless steel, and the remainder are plastic. So what he says does hold some water.

But let's quote a preacher that I knew, but insert, "Can you only clean your pistol once per year?............."

Preacher's quote, "Can you get to heaven without being Pentecostal?...............Maybe so, but I wouldn't recommend it."

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 16th 2014, 8:10 am

I recall him saying Glocks never rust but Springfields will. 

Is there a reason you carry Keltec over say a Glock?

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Post by Claymore on March 16th 2014, 3:27 pm

There is no Glock that is as light or concealable as my Kel-Tec.

This morning, I had the Kel-Tec in the pants pocket of my business suit.  Yesterday, it was in my pocket when the boys were training, shooting Trap.  No one ever knows that I have it: not my friends, not my family, not my wife.  (There have been times when we have been around "seedy" situations, and she has said, "Gee,  I sure wish that you had brought your gun".  I just reply, "Oh, well.")

NOTE: That's another advantage of being over 55 years old.  You & the Wife keep your hands to yourselves more.

I have fired the Glock Model 25 (a .380 restricted to Law Enforcement), and given the opportunity to purchase one.

I found it to be bulky, clunky, the slide is wide & heavy, and being blowback operated, recoil is uncomfortable.

My Kel-Tec is slim with a narrow slide. It also fires from a locked breach, and suffers from none of the above-mentioned maladies.

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 16th 2014, 11:12 pm

I recenly read that will be able to release the .380 to the  public. 

I've read that too Glocks aren't as concealable. I've also gotten impression that most people either love or hate keltec. 

Better concealability is why I bought a new compact baseplate for a better grip instead of using the fullsize/extended mags. I've noticed that most people are like sheep they are blind and dumb to anything that is not obvious. Even when open carrying only once besides Gander Mtn was I noticed and they thought it was great to know your rights. 

Btw, what caliber is your keltec?  Do you think a 9mm BPLE +p+ would be as powerful as a .40s&w?  I was thinking of using +p+ rounds for critical defense if I can find them.

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Post by Claymore on March 16th 2014, 11:46 pm

My Kel-Tec is a P3AT.

I think that 'most any "Law Enforcement" style round made by a nationally known company will more than do.  The technology of expansion and stopping power is much much higher than when the 9mm was effectively putting soldiers down in WWI and WWII (and they were doing a pretty good job, back then).

I personally carry Hornady Critical Defense ammunition.  Reason being that it has a great reputation for controlled expansion, it will go through automobile windshield glass (even when fired at an angle), and the tipped shape of the bullet makes it feed like butter into the pistol.

Oh, also...........

I carry Hornady Critical Defense ammunition, because it is specifically designed for (and accepted by) Law Enforcement. That will the reason that I will give in court, if I have to use it, "It is accepted for Police use. I am a Retired Police Officer, and I trust the judgement of current Police Experts."

I think that sounds much better in front of a jury than, "I carry Super-Duper Thermonuclear +P+P+P+P+P+P+ Zombie-Killers that will vaporize them and make their cars blow up."

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 17th 2014, 2:30 am

The fedeal BPLE is what border patrol law enforcement carries is what I was told. Seems odd that some defense rounds are legal to buy from a store but will be a critical point in the prosecutors case...

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 17th 2014, 2:31 am

I use Hornady critical defense rounds too.

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Post by Claymore on March 17th 2014, 10:18 am

RRCmdrBennett wrote: Seems odd that some defense rounds are legal to buy from a store but will be a critical point in the prosecutors case...

Rule #1 of Courtroom Preparation, "Never underestimate the potential stupidity of a jury!".

I have personally seen a woman from our church throw a felony case when the rest of the jury voted "Guilty" and she knew that the defendant was Guilty, because, "....God put me there to give him another chance....".

I saw a Jamaican woman throw out a felony drug charge, when we found 240 packages with cocaine residue from the Defendant's house because, "....the Police put that there; they always do that....".

So if you want to take a chance that you won't prejudice some jury members, go ahead. You can be right, and be right in jail (or be sued; that doesn't require a unanimous vote). I wouldn't want to hear some idiot juror say, "No one should be allowed to carry explosive Zombie-Killer Ammunition. Guilty!"

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Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 17th 2014, 11:51 am

Ok I trust you but these rounds are carried by border patrol LEO's. Like you I use Hornady critical defense. I don't use "exotic rounds" except for fun on a range. I like to get some for the 12 ga.

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Post by Claymore on March 17th 2014, 1:14 pm

I watched the video, and the results are pretty impressive.

But, all things considered, I would still use Hornady Critical Defense, because:

#1.  It is made by a known U.S. Premium Ammunition Manufacturer.

#2.  Its performance evaluations have been "near the top" for ammo in this general class.

#3.  Who could fault someone for using "Critical Defense" Ammunition in a Pistol that he carries for Defense?

#4.  While the "Rubber" Tip in Critical Defense Ammunition is designed to keep the hollow point from filling with clothing/debris, it also provides a slick surface to keep a large Hollow Point from hanging up in the Feed Ramp.  When working Undercover, I carried a Model 213 Tokarev Pistol.  Our standard "Patrol" load was 147 grain Hydra Shok.  The big "flying ashtray" hollow points sometimes got hung up on the bottom of the feed ramp of that pistol, so I had to use the ammunition authorized for Detective Pistols: 9mm Nyclads.

#5. While Hornady is not giving out the "secrets" of its ammunition, I believe that the Rubber Tip has something to do with how this ammunition will penetrate automobile windshields, hold together, and not deflect.

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Re: NRA and Conceal Carry Weapon Permit (CCW/OC)

Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 17th 2014, 9:32 pm

Definitely appreciate the advice. I may get bple just for kicks and giggles when plinking with the guys. 

Chris and I were discussing this today on his way home. He was the one that told me about bple he used to carry while doing armored deliveries. 

A couple from the church and I spent couple hours practicing with my pistol and his dad's .22 bolt gun. I also couldn't pass up some shotgun and AR-15 shooting so I brought them along too. With the sun in ours eyes it made the first hour difficult. I had to adjust their grips so they didn't need and ER visit....  No thumbs wrapped around back of a semi auto pistol!  

This was his wife's first time shooting ever!  She tried the 12ga in birdshot #8, bk #4, and 00 to give them a feel for the various range of power with any given shot. It kicked her back a step with 00 shot!  

She did much better with the AR-15 she loved it. We invited Nick out to shoot with us. Deanna was impressed with the rapid fire of my XDm. Nick loved the AR-15 of course it was his first time using an AR. 

I will say this COMMAND ARMS MAGS SUX!!!!  One shot and jam. Used other mag from same company one shot and jam!!!  For me its either Pmag or GI mags they cycled perfectly no errors. Two strikes for alleged AR-geek from Gander Mtn!  When I see him he's going to hear it!  I'm thinking of taking the mags back and dropping them on the counter and letting them know and anyone in earshot that they are junk!!!!!!!

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Ohio HB203 relaxes ccw laws

Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 22nd 2014, 12:47 am

HB203:

No duty to retreat
Reduce class from 12 hes to 4 hrs
Use federal NICS for CHL background checks which will weed out the mentally disabled. 
NICS will open up automatic reciprocity wit states like PA, IN, GA, etc. 

I believe the assessment that the 12 hr class is padded is very true. The NRA instructor last Sat taught the Basic Practical course for 9 hrs and 1 hr from the A/G Ohio ccw booklet. The last 2 hours was range time. Under this new way you can do 2-3 classes in one day. 

I'm stoked to say the least!!!

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Re: NRA and Conceal Carry Weapon Permit (CCW/OC)

Post by RRCmdrBennett on March 22nd 2014, 9:34 pm

Another potential victory in Hawaii stemming from the 9th US circuit court may overturn their "may issue" permits. http://www.nraila.org/legal/articles/2014/ninth-circuit-requires-federal-district-court-to-reexamine-hawaiis-restrictive-carry-permit-system.aspx

I think Obama's gun control push maybe the best thing to happen to this country in awhile. If Cali and Hawaii falls to shall issue whose next: MD, NYC, etc.

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